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David 
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| watt price tully wrote: | The problem in saying the latter too soon post the vile rape and murder of the young woman does invite notions of blaming the victim.
It is always both and more, however talking about safety immiedately after the culprit was found risks the notion of blaming the young woman without intentionally wanting to do so. |
The trouble with this argument is that it extrapolates something that isn’t actually there in the original statement. Offering safety advice is not victim-blaming; it’s a statement that could lead to victim-blaming. But for that process to occur, one has to argue that failing to follow safety warnings makes one somehow culpable for one’s own victimisation. Surely that is the toxic paradigm that is at fault here, and the one that should be fought as opposed to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
| stui magpie wrote: | There really are some tasteless cretins in the world.
Seems overnight some idiot defaced the memorial to Eurydice in Princes Park by painting a large "lewd symbol" on the grass next to the flowers.
Firemen had to be called in to wash it off.
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I don’t think that’s an act of mere tastelessness; it’s bound to be a deliberate political act. There are certain sections within society who would treat Dixon, a feminist comedian, as an enemy; I’m sure there’s 10x more vile stuff being written about her right now in forums online. On that note, while I’m guessing we would have been told this by now if it were the case, I would be very interested to know whether the guy who murdered her attended her gig.
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| Mugwump wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | There really are some tasteless cretins in the world.
Seems overnight some idiot defaced the memorial to Eurydice in Princes Park by painting a large "lewd symbol" on the grass next to the flowers.
Firemen had to be called in to wash it off.
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Without context it is hard to be sure, but I would hazard a guess that the cretin who did this was motivated by the way this dreadful tragedy has been turned into a divisive spectacle of identity politics, rather than seen as a dreadful crime by a man. If you sow division, you get anger and hatred where there should be unity and sorrow. |
nah, he was probably just a stupid fuckwitt, otherwise he might have written something "meaningful"if still stupid.
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| Mugwump wrote: | | think positive wrote: | Ok maybe because you think it’s just a political statement that means nothing?
Sorry I’m having a week from hell! I could have missed context here, at least he didn’t say trust in the lord! |
It’s because it says everything and nothing. As far as I am aware, the vast majority of men had nothing to do with this hideous crime, their attitudes do not support it, and they are as appalled by it as women are. So how do “men need to change” ? Some men behave horribly, violently, and some are misogynists. Most of us, however, have wives and daughters and friends and Co-workers who are female, and we consider them every bit as human and worthy as any man. Stop using this tragedy to conduct your rancid identity politics, Dan.
And what did this idiot say in this arm-waving masterpiece ? It amounts to “women should do whatever you like”. Well, any of us who have daughters -and those that don’t -know that in the increasingly lawless society over which he presides, there are significant risks involved in walking through public spaces, alone, in the dark, late at night. It takes a special kind of obtuseness to consider that statement “victim blaming”. That poor girl made a mistake with her personal safety, just as most of us have from time to time, especially when we were young. She got unlucky, that day. But for a politician to suggest that people should not pay attention to risks because “men have to change” is past puerile.
Some men do have to change, no doubt : but saying it like that makes zero difference. It’s just a way of signalling that you’re right on with this. Meanwhile, one man needs to be put on trial and if found guilty, subjected to the kind of punishment which makes it very clear to the “men that need to change” that they will receive the sternest rigor of the law, swiftly enacted, without a lot of excuse-making and extenuation on their behalf.
Once, this crime would have resulted in execution within a reasonable period after the act, and a powerful signal would be sent to all those who might consider such things fair game. Now, we will get a lot of exculpatory nonsense about his mental state, suggesting to the predators that these things are not really their fault. Because it has had so much public emotion invested in it, the sentence here will probably be long, but most of the men who assault women know that the courts do not treat it all that seriously in most cases. Even for the worst, first-degree murder (as they call it in the US), you’ll be out in about 15 years or so if they catch you, mate. And you can probably bargain it down below that if you have a ghost of an excuse. Your victim has no chance of parole, of course.
Due process of law followed by impassive, retributive justice for an unspeakable act : that’s what i’d like to hear from a politician, rather than this flyblown blancmange of undergraduate gender studies. That would express more clearly than any stinking political words how our society values a woman’s life. |
what mistake did She make? walking alone at night?
i get your point though, i dont totally agree with it. when i see statements like this i dont think ALL men, just as i dont think ALL woman who have said me too are along for the ride.
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| David wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | The problem in saying the latter too soon post the vile rape and murder of the young woman does invite notions of blaming the victim.
It is always both and more, however talking about safety immiedately after the culprit was found risks the notion of blaming the young woman without intentionally wanting to do so. |
The trouble with this argument is that it extrapolates something that isn’t actually there in the original statement. Offering safety advice is not victim-blaming; it’s a statement that could lead to victim-blaming. But for that process to occur, one has to argue that failing to follow safety warnings makes one somehow culpable for one’s own victimisation. Surely that is the toxic paradigm that is at fault here, and the one that should be fought as opposed to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
| stui magpie wrote: | There really are some tasteless cretins in the world.
Seems overnight some idiot defaced the memorial to Eurydice in Princes Park by painting a large "lewd symbol" on the grass next to the flowers.
Firemen had to be called in to wash it off.
Really? |
I don’t think that’s an act of mere tastelessness; it’s bound to be a deliberate political act. There are certain sections within society who would treat Dixon, a feminist comedian, as an enemy; I’m sure there’s 10x more vile stuff being written about her right now in forums online. On that note, while I’m guessing we would have been told this by now if it were the case, I would be very interested to know whether the guy who murdered her attended her gig. |
why? you dont think there are idiots out there who would do this for a laugh?
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| David wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | The problem in saying the latter too soon post the vile rape and murder of the young woman does invite notions of blaming the victim.
It is always both and more, however talking about safety immiedately after the culprit was found risks the notion of blaming the young woman without intentionally wanting to do so. |
The trouble with this argument is that it extrapolates something that isn’t actually there in the original statement. Offering safety advice is not victim-blaming; it’s a statement that could lead to victim-blaming. But for that process to occur, one has to argue that failing to follow safety warnings makes one somehow culpable for one’s own victimisation. Surely that is the toxic paradigm that is at fault here, and the one that should be fought as opposed to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
| stui magpie wrote: | There really are some tasteless cretins in the world.
Seems overnight some idiot defaced the memorial to Eurydice in Princes Park by painting a large "lewd symbol" on the grass next to the flowers.
Firemen had to be called in to wash it off.
Really? |
I don’t think that’s an act of mere tastelessness; it’s bound to be a deliberate political act. There are certain sections within society who would treat Dixon, a feminist comedian, as an enemy; I’m sure there’s 10x more vile stuff being written about her right now in forums online. On that note, while I’m guessing we would have been told this by now if it were the case, I would be very interested to know whether the guy who murdered her attended her gig. |
You may well be right, but I hope not. My guess is, when they refer to large lewd symbol, that somebody painted a large dick and balls there. If it's an attempt at humour it's too black and tasteless even for my weird sense of humour. If it was a political statement, it's just bullshit. I know there's extremes of misogyny and misandry out there but seriously?
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| think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | | watt price tully wrote: | The problem in saying the latter too soon post the vile rape and murder of the young woman does invite notions of blaming the victim.
It is always both and more, however talking about safety immiedately after the culprit was found risks the notion of blaming the young woman without intentionally wanting to do so. |
The trouble with this argument is that it extrapolates something that isn’t actually there in the original statement. Offering safety advice is not victim-blaming; it’s a statement that could lead to victim-blaming. But for that process to occur, one has to argue that failing to follow safety warnings makes one somehow culpable for one’s own victimisation. Surely that is the toxic paradigm that is at fault here, and the one that should be fought as opposed to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
| stui magpie wrote: | There really are some tasteless cretins in the world.
Seems overnight some idiot defaced the memorial to Eurydice in Princes Park by painting a large "lewd symbol" on the grass next to the flowers.
Firemen had to be called in to wash it off.
Really? |
I don’t think that’s an act of mere tastelessness; it’s bound to be a deliberate political act. There are certain sections within society who would treat Dixon, a feminist comedian, as an enemy; I’m sure there’s 10x more vile stuff being written about her right now in forums online. On that note, while I’m guessing we would have been told this by now if it were the case, I would be very interested to know whether the guy who murdered her attended her gig. |
why? you dont think there are idiots out there who would do this for a laugh? |
It's possible, yes, but don't underestimate the extent of hatred out there for women like Dixon. My money's on it being an MRA/Incel, or whatever.
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| Yeah there are probably fewer people around that are more qualified than me to speak about doing stupid stuff to get a rise out of people, and that was my first thought when I heard about the vandalism. Hard to know. Perhaps we will find out if the perpetrator is caught. Classless act, even trolling has its limits. |
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| David don't overestimate the amount of respectful disagreement out there. Facebook isn't real. |
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David
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I'm thinking more private discussion forums, etc. In any case, even if the sentiments may not be expressed in the 'real' world, that doesn't mean they don't exist (and aren't, in fact, deeply held).
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I don't know. The internet has given us a powerful new way to express the 'real' us. Turns out that most of us are really just judgemental assholes. Who knew? All of a sudden, centuries of religious teachings make sense.
I don't doubt that identity radicals would love to believe that this troll was a deliberate and malicious attack against their ideology. Always the victims, they are.
I reckon it was some dumb sixteen year old out to impress his mates. Reckon the odds are in my favour, though every gambler knows there's no such thing as a sure thing. In any event it was a tasteless act and I hope for his sake that his identity is never established.
Funny isn't it how we all automatically assume that this is the work of a boy. |
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| David wrote: | | In any case, even if the sentiments may not be expressed in the 'real' world, that doesn't mean they don't exist (and aren't, in fact, deeply held). |
Jesus Nick how did you miss this sitting duck.
It doesn't matter who holds what sentiment if they aren't translating to anything in the real world. That would mean that this defacement had nothing whatever to do with extremists and their delusions. |
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David
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Look, I don't think either of us have any idea for sure who did it or why, but all I'm saying is it's not too much of a leap to go from a hate-filled rant on the internet to defacing a memorial site. If it was a small thing drawn in texta it could just be a meaningless drunken/juvenile joke, but a 25-metre drawing in white paint takes some degree of planning and motivation, one would think.
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| David wrote: | | Look, I don't think either of us have any idea for sure who did it or why, but all I'm saying is it's not too much of a leap to go from a hate-filled rant on the internet to defacing a memorial site. If it was a small thing drawn in texta it could just be a meaningless drunken/juvenile joke, but a 25-metre drawing in white paint takes some degree of planning and motivation, one would think. |
Year 12 muckup day participants have drawn football oval sized wangs using weed killer. Never underestimate what someone will do as a piss take. |
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| David wrote: | | I can’t see why something non-lethal like pepper spray should be unlawful – something like that would surely save lives. |
My 22 year old daughter lives in Carlton and often walks home at night from her job in hospitality. This scares the shit out of me.
I bought her pepper spray a while ago. I don't give a **** if it's illegal or not.
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Get her a butterfly knife as well. You seen Face Off?
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