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roar
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Wokko wrote: | No surprise that instead of introspection the left wants to blame 'bigots' and 'racists' |
Your points about introspection are spot on but the bigots, racists and climate change deniers, among others, are to blame for the result. It's just that a political party can't go on blaming them, just as they can't blame stupidity even though most folks are stupid. _________________ kill for collingwood! |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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Wokko
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Jezza
2023 PREMIERS!
Joined: 06 Sep 2010 Location: Ponsford End
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^ Happy to see the back of Phelps.
Coalition predicted to pick up Bass, and retain Chisholm which is still neck and neck after counting 75% of votes. _________________ | 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | |
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K
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David wrote: | Whether or not it's legal according to the letter of the law, this is pretty despicable ... |
Stricter laws are needed. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Cheap shot David, if you have superannuation, you're a shareholder and if Australia moved to zero emissions tomorrow it would have jack shit impact on the global level of CO2. That doesn't mean we should ignore the issue and not increase the amount of renewable energy, but it's hardly the crisis or emergency it's been painted.
There'll be a lot of introspection, but denigrating 50% of the population because they didn't vote in accordance with your (not aimed specifically at you) views is not helpful.
Different things are important to different people and with the population historically voting close to 50/50 across the board, little things can tip different people one way or the other.
In my seat, Jaggajagga, Jenny Macklin had been the member forever, yet pretty much each election she would lose the primary vote to the Libs and get across the line with Green preferences. This election, with 2 new candidates for the major parties, Labor won the primary vote for the first time.
karen Phelps won at a by election after a protest vote against Turnbull being sacked, months later the Liberal candidate wins it back.
Swings in politics aren't uniform across the board, different factors come into play, so trying to drill down to single reasons why one side won or lost is hard, but I doubt if Labor will go to another election with an unpopular leader invoking class warefare, a relic of English unionism, ever again. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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stui magpie
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Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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Morrigu
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^ I'm just relieved I actually logged in cause I spent quite some time googling what ... meant cause I couldn't see the picture and so couldn't work out your response DOH!! |
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stui magpie
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LOL, the quote function doesn't bring pictures forward anymore.
I hope it was worth logging in. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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partypie
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Skids wrote: | Don't they get nasty when they lose.... oh the joy. |
You obviously haven't seen Bananaby Joyce on the telly today. Was he sober? |
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Morrigu
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Yeah Stui it was cause it was annoying me!
My greatest issue is where to retire to now Need warmth so where to pick - WA no thanks scary, QLD even scarier! Damn should have kept the house in Spain!!
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006 Location: Thailand
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Morrigu, Consider Fiji. _________________ Annoying opposition supporters since 1967. |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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stui magpie wrote: | '
Cheap shot David, if you have superannuation, you're a shareholder and if Australia moved to zero emissions tomorrow it would have jack shit impact on the global level of CO2. That doesn't mean we should ignore the issue and not increase the amount of renewable energy, but it's hardly the crisis or emergency it's been painted.
There'll be a lot of introspection, but denigrating 50% of the population because they didn't vote in accordance with your (not aimed specifically at you) views is not helpful.
Different things are important to different people and with the population historically voting close to 50/50 across the board, little things can tip different people one way or the other.
In my seat, Jaggajagga, Jenny Macklin had been the member forever, yet pretty much each election she would lose the primary vote to the Libs and get across the line with Green preferences. This election, with 2 new candidates for the major parties, Labor won the primary vote for the first time.
karen Phelps won at a by election after a protest vote against Turnbull being sacked, months later the Liberal candidate wins it back.
Swings in politics aren't uniform across the board, different factors come into play, so trying to drill down to single reasons why one side won or lost is hard, but I doubt if Labor will go to another election with an unpopular leader invoking class warefare, a relic of English unionism, ever again. |
You're missing the point of the cartoon; clearly, the guy in the suit is supposed to be a representative from a fossil-fuel mining or other big polluting company, and the idea is that short-term corporate greed is being prioritised over the future of the planet, which of course is the entire history of anthropogenic climate change over the past half a century. Not sure how you get "denigrating 50% of the population" from that.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings
Otherwise, I'll leave it to climate scientists to decide whether or not we're at a crisis point – the prevailing view there seems to be an overwhelming "yes". _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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David
I dare you to try
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It's a bit misleading, though – here's the 2007 election map after Rudd's landslide victory (blue is Liberal, green is National):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Australian_federal_election#/media/File:2007_AUS_Federal_Election_results.svg
The reason for this seeming imbalance is that rural seats (which tend to vote Coalition) are geographically huge, whereas urban seats (which tend to vote Labor) are often tiny and densely populated. So if you're looking at the colours of any election map, it'll pretty much always look like the Coalition are dominating – and the only major chunk of red to be found is likely to be Lingiari, a single seat that covers 95% of the Northern Territory. Similar things happen with the US map; thankfully, elections are decided more on population than geographical coverage, or else Bob Katter might be our next opposition leader! _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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watt price tully
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I had a case of “mancold” where I was on anti-biotics. Unfortunately I experienced side effects. I had a nightmare where I woke up and really thought the Australian public were stupid & gullible enough to pay attention to scaremongering & vote in the right-wing climate change denying & troglodyte dwelling policy vacuum nitwits. Fancy that. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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