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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:50 pm
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Wokko wrote:
No surprise that instead of introspection the left wants to blame 'bigots' and 'racists'


Your points about introspection are spot on but the bigots, racists and climate change deniers, among others, are to blame for the result. It's just that a political party can't go on blaming them, just as they can't blame stupidity even though most folks are stupid.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:03 pm
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Whether or not it's legal according to the letter of the law, this is pretty despicable – and in an incredibly close seat, too:

https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/liberals-accused-of-misleading-chinese-voters-by-imitating-aec-signage-20190518-p51op4.html

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:32 pm
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-20/election-coalition-get-77-seats-wentworth-boothby-bass-chisholm/11128652

The ABC election computer is predicting the Coalition has secured majority government with at least 77 seats, as the Liberals appear set to secure Bass, Chisholm, Boothby and Wentworth.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:55 pm
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^ Happy to see the back of Phelps.

Coalition predicted to pick up Bass, and retain Chisholm which is still neck and neck after counting 75% of votes.

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 6:00 pm
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David wrote:
Whether or not it's legal according to the letter of the law, this is pretty despicable ...

Stricter laws are needed.
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 7:37 pm
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David wrote:
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Cheap shot David, if you have superannuation, you're a shareholder and if Australia moved to zero emissions tomorrow it would have jack shit impact on the global level of CO2. That doesn't mean we should ignore the issue and not increase the amount of renewable energy, but it's hardly the crisis or emergency it's been painted.

There'll be a lot of introspection, but denigrating 50% of the population because they didn't vote in accordance with your (not aimed specifically at you) views is not helpful.

Different things are important to different people and with the population historically voting close to 50/50 across the board, little things can tip different people one way or the other.

In my seat, Jaggajagga, Jenny Macklin had been the member forever, yet pretty much each election she would lose the primary vote to the Libs and get across the line with Green preferences. This election, with 2 new candidates for the major parties, Labor won the primary vote for the first time.

karen Phelps won at a by election after a protest vote against Turnbull being sacked, months later the Liberal candidate wins it back.

Swings in politics aren't uniform across the board, different factors come into play, so trying to drill down to single reasons why one side won or lost is hard, but I doubt if Labor will go to another election with an unpopular leader invoking class warefare, a relic of English unionism, ever again.

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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 8:24 pm
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Update on seats, Lib nat looking at 78 seats, clear majority government.

This map and interactive is also instructive.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-19/federal-election-map-coalition-defies-polls-retains-power/11127084

When you look at the small bits of red in an otherwise blue map, it's not a pretty picture for a Labor suppoter.

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^ I'm just relieved I actually logged in cause I spent quite some time googling what ... meant cause I couldn't see the picture and so couldn't work out your response DOH!! Embarassed Razz
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stui magpie Gemini

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 8:51 pm
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LOL, the quote function doesn't bring pictures forward anymore.

I hope it was worth logging in. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 10:40 pm
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Skids wrote:
Don't they get nasty when they lose.... oh the joy. Smile


You obviously haven't seen Bananaby Joyce on the telly today. Was he sober?
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 10:54 pm
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Yeah Stui it was cause it was annoying me! Laughing

My greatest issue is where to retire to now Confused Need warmth so where to pick - WA no thanks scary, QLD even scarier! Damn should have kept the house in Spain!! Sad


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 11:12 pm
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Morrigu, Consider Fiji.
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:51 am
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stui magpie wrote:
David wrote:
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Cheap shot David, if you have superannuation, you're a shareholder and if Australia moved to zero emissions tomorrow it would have jack shit impact on the global level of CO2. That doesn't mean we should ignore the issue and not increase the amount of renewable energy, but it's hardly the crisis or emergency it's been painted.

There'll be a lot of introspection, but denigrating 50% of the population because they didn't vote in accordance with your (not aimed specifically at you) views is not helpful.

Different things are important to different people and with the population historically voting close to 50/50 across the board, little things can tip different people one way or the other.

In my seat, Jaggajagga, Jenny Macklin had been the member forever, yet pretty much each election she would lose the primary vote to the Libs and get across the line with Green preferences. This election, with 2 new candidates for the major parties, Labor won the primary vote for the first time.

karen Phelps won at a by election after a protest vote against Turnbull being sacked, months later the Liberal candidate wins it back.

Swings in politics aren't uniform across the board, different factors come into play, so trying to drill down to single reasons why one side won or lost is hard, but I doubt if Labor will go to another election with an unpopular leader invoking class warefare, a relic of English unionism, ever again.


You're missing the point of the cartoon; clearly, the guy in the suit is supposed to be a representative from a fossil-fuel mining or other big polluting company, and the idea is that short-term corporate greed is being prioritised over the future of the planet, which of course is the entire history of anthropogenic climate change over the past half a century. Not sure how you get "denigrating 50% of the population" from that.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

Otherwise, I'll leave it to climate scientists to decide whether or not we're at a crisis point – the prevailing view there seems to be an overwhelming "yes".

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David Libra

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 11:00 am
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stui magpie wrote:
Update on seats, Lib nat looking at 78 seats, clear majority government.

This map and interactive is also instructive.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-19/federal-election-map-coalition-defies-polls-retains-power/11127084

When you look at the small bits of red in an otherwise blue map, it's not a pretty picture for a Labor suppoter.


It's a bit misleading, though – here's the 2007 election map after Rudd's landslide victory (blue is Liberal, green is National):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Australian_federal_election#/media/File:2007_AUS_Federal_Election_results.svg

The reason for this seeming imbalance is that rural seats (which tend to vote Coalition) are geographically huge, whereas urban seats (which tend to vote Labor) are often tiny and densely populated. So if you're looking at the colours of any election map, it'll pretty much always look like the Coalition are dominating – and the only major chunk of red to be found is likely to be Lingiari, a single seat that covers 95% of the Northern Territory. Similar things happen with the US map; thankfully, elections are decided more on population than geographical coverage, or else Bob Katter might be our next opposition leader!

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 2:20 pm
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I had a case of “mancold” where I was on anti-biotics. Unfortunately I experienced side effects. I had a nightmare where I woke up and really thought the Australian public were stupid & gullible enough to pay attention to scaremongering & vote in the right-wing climate change denying & troglodyte dwelling policy vacuum nitwits. Fancy that.
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