John Howard - our moral pygmy.......and others

[creedymagpie]

[snow24]

creedymagpie you can thank the Hawke/Keating governments for why our economy is so structually sound today. As I have said before it is the Labor party who makes the political heroes and it is the labor party who gets the hard tasks. Howard and Fraser were too piss weak to deregulate the economy and left it in a total shambles. Hawke and Keating had the balls to deregulate it with the Australian public kicking and screaming. Yes there was a recession in the midst of all that but it was the slowdown required to get on top of inflation. All Jonny and Costello have done in their 8.5 years is bash unions, create a property bubble, and watch Australians embark on a household debt binge.

The Economy started to grow and interest rates fell under Keating. The economy has been growing for 13 years not 8.5.

Then again, nothing beats the economic ignorance of the electorate.

[Streak]

Sure snow, Keating's supposed successes are not Howard's... but neither are they Latham's.

The man knows 0 about the economy, sound policy - hell, even his own policy. He's such a toadying populist he pretended to be a Collingwood supporter, no doubt because we have such a huge supporter base - even though he knows stuff all about footy. Disgusting.

Ah, it's nice to see Howard re-elected - Bush's re-election next month will just make life perfect.

Go Johnny! And in 3 years, go Timmy!!

PS. Whoever started this thread is no doubt attempting to be divisive - after all, if he'd seen the poll in the Hun a few months ago, Collingwood supporters are among the most likely to vote for the Coalition (along with North and the Hawks, I think).

[creedymagpie]

[snow24]

creedymagpie,

1) The GST has been implemented but the further reform that needed to go with it hasn't. As for risking electoral defeat, if Howard was to have his 45 seat majority overturned as a result of the restructuring of an ailing tax system it would have really been quite extraordinary. (Having said that I really should have put the GST in there I don't know why I didn't)

2)Bob Hawke = Australia's most popular politician

Keating = Author (technically) of Australia's most memorable victory speech and countless other great speeches. He is without doubt Australia's best question time assassin and our most gutsiest treasurer.

You can focus on smearing them about private relationships etc but the bottom line is.

Liberal leaders = BORING

Labor leaders = heroes

*You never know Costello and Turnbull might actually buck the trend and be interesting leaders but only time will tell.

[Joel]

In the eye of the beholder snow24, in the eye of the beholder.

[snow24]

There are always complete mug ministers no matter who is in government.

eg Warren Truss, Donna Vale, Amanda Vanstone, Robert Hill, Phillip Ruddock, Alexander Downer, Ian Macfarlane etc etc etc

And since the Coalition are all so dignified and scandal free why did Jonnny bother to drop the ministerial code of conduct?

Let's just agree to disagree

[Streak]

You're comparing Amanda Vanstone, Phillip Ruddock and Alexander Downer to Roz Kelly? Your logic astounds me.

This is pointless.

[snow24]

I'm saying mugs are mugs and there's plenty on both sides of politics

[Streak]

OK... but the part of the comparison that doesn't match up is, Vanstone, Ruddock, Downer et al happen to be competent.

[snow24]

[Joel]

Must admit, I'm not really a fan of Vanstone.

[3rd degree]

What about Professor Alf Andrews can he cut the mustard Joel?

[HAL]

Professor Alf Andrews can he cut the mustard Joel ? I haven't heard enough about Professor Alf Andrews can he cut the mustard Joel to have an opinion.

[creedymagpie]