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Dark Beanie 
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
At the time they were available, neither setting the world on fire.
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inxs88
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| Dark Beanie wrote: | Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
At the time they were available, neither setting the world on fire. |
Think Jake Kelly is a poor mans Jack Crisp but the tragedy of not recruiting James Stewart is two fold:
1. 2012: we used the necessary pick on Jack Ramsay
2. 2015: we traded Cloke to Bulldogs for pick 76 (ultimately not used) and Stewart made it to Essendon for their pick 77!
Unforgivable
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Dave The Man 
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Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| Dark Beanie wrote: | Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
At the time they were available, neither setting the world on fire. |
Agree. I was not a Huge Fan of Stewart when he was in the Draft though looking back he be better then any of Kennedy,Broomhead and Ramsey
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Pies2016
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| Dark Beanie wrote: | Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
At the time they were available, neither setting the world on fire. |
I’m calling it Hinesight but I agree. Everyone’s an expert in retrospect.
And let’s not forget, if you’re 6’5” and in the same forward line as Daniher and Hurley / Hooker, playing on a perfect night and winning in the midfield, it ain’t that hard to get a kick.
Let him be the main target being pummeled every weekend for a season and see how he goes then.
He’s a work in progress but he is headed in the right direction ( if you’re a bombers supporter ) |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| I thought at the time Kelly was worth a rookie pick and Stewart was worth a third round pick. Both went higher so fair call, though GWS offloaded Stewart for a lower draft pick so really Collingwood should have recruited him instead of Essendon. |
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Presti35 
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Kelly we could have taken in the rookie draft ffs. Clearly worth the punt.
Not pursuing Stewart the second time was the big mistake. Could have easily got the family back on board. Essentially, we would have traded Cloke out and brought in Stewart.
I mean the worst thing is what we're spending to get player in. And although not superstars, these two could have been brought in for next to nothing. And would still put in the same, if not more, effort as our so called stars.
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piedys 
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Location: Resident Forum Psychopath since 2003
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | Dark Beanie wrote: | Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
At the time they were available, neither setting the world on fire. |
Agree. I was not a Huge Fan of Stewart when he was in the Draft though looking back he be better then any of Kennedy,Broomhead and Ramsey |
Originally, Craig Stewart rang the club and implored them to draft James.
But Hine and Buckley knew better; they didn't fall for it. Logistical geniuses that they are...
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BazBoy
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Pies2016 you have a point with Stewart—that Essendon first win Jack the Blind miner would have performed well with the support from fellow forwards
And the quick transition had Crows back out of position all night
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Presti35
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Both these guys will never play for Collingwood. Much like Liam Picken.
But also like Picken, I dont think either Kelly or Stewart will become superstars, but very good role players.
Stewart has the opportunity to play as a third tall at Essendon, which gives him a bit more freedom.
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | Dark Beanie wrote: | Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
At the time they were available, neither setting the world on fire. |
I’m calling it Hinesight but I agree. Everyone’s an expert in retrospect.
And let’s not forget, if you’re 6’5” and in the same forward line as Daniher and Hurley / Hooker, playing on a perfect night and winning in the midfield, it ain’t that hard to get a kick.
Let him be the main target being pummeled every weekend for a season and see how he goes then.
He’s a work in progress but he is headed in the right direction ( if you’re a bombers supporter ) |
Certain posters on here were warning about the Hine recruiting back in 2013 and 2014. They were bagged repeatedly.
Funny now with Hinesight they were right. |
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Pies2016
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^^^
Out of interest, since you’re obviously keeping tabs, were they the same posters who bagged Hines selection of the six / seven elevated rookies in the 2010 premiership year.
I say again, I have never met anyone yet who has been wrong in hindsight.
Hine has made his mistakes but “ certain posters “ want to compare him against 100 % success rate. That’s not the right way to compare his success rate. The only true way to compare him is against others recruiters and they too, will all have their skeletons. |
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| Pies2016 wrote: | ^^^
Out of interest, since you’re obviously keeping tabs, were they the same posters who bagged Hines selection of the six / seven elevated rookies in the 2010 premiership year.
I say again, I have never met anyone yet who has been wrong in hindsight.
Hine has made his mistakes but “ certain posters “ want to compare him against 100 % success rate. That’s not the right way to compare his success rate. The only true way to compare him is against others recruiters and they too, will all have their skeletons. |
The 2010 team had two thirds Hine recruits and one third Judkins recruits. Initially Hine did well everyone agrees on that.But after 2008 he was poor. Our 2007 draft was also poor.
As for other recruiters, well just look at Hawks, Geelong and Sydney.
They have all had extended long periods on top. |
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ronrat
Joined: 22 May 2006
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Both Collingwood and Geelong had massive help from father and sons in premiership years. Would have to been a muppet not to have picked up G Ablett, M Scarlet and Trav Cloke. Hawthorn got a lot by raiding other clubs. Honestly don't know why people deal with the. Sydney, well cheque book, text book. Funded by the AFL.
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MightyMagpie
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| Dark Beanie wrote: | Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
At the time they were available, neither setting the world on fire. |
Hindsight is better than Hinesight.
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Pies2016
Joined: 12 Sep 2014
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| masoncox wrote: | | Pies2016 wrote: | ^^^
Out of interest, since you’re obviously keeping tabs, were they the same posters who bagged Hines selection of the six / seven elevated rookies in the 2010 premiership year.
I say again, I have never met anyone yet who has been wrong in hindsight.
Hine has made his mistakes but “ certain posters “ want to compare him against 100 % success rate. That’s not the right way to compare his success rate. The only true way to compare him is against others recruiters and they too, will all have their skeletons. |
The 2010 team had two thirds Hine recruits and one third Judkins recruits. Initially Hine did well everyone agrees on that.But after 2008 he was poor. Our 2007 draft was also poor.
As for other recruiters, well just look at Hawks, Geelong and Sydney.
They have all had extended long periods on top. |
Yep, so they did it better than us. And the other 12 clubs ?? ( I will leave the expansion clubs out ) Do you reckon the Demons, Blues, Saints, Bombers, Dockers, North, Crows would have liked to have done as badly as us during that period ?
Let’s do some simple factual maths. Between 2010 and 2011 we were the best team over that period. When you’re the best team, you suffer with lower draft picks than anyone else. That’s fine in itself but we effectively copped a double whammy between 2010 and 2012 when the two expansion clubs received JUST OVER FIFTY PERCENT of the top 10 draft picks. The draft had never been compromised like it and our club suffered more than any other club when it came to accessing high end talent.
They are the facts, not convenient truths.
I have already said Hine made mistakes as does everyone in the talent spotting industry but Hine was effectively trying to do his job with hand tied behind his back between 2010 and 2012. To have the picks we had, was almost excluding ourselves from any quarantined talent in those draft pools. |
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