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David Libra

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:44 pm
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Yes, it's that time of the year again! With 3 rounds down (and Carlton's slaughter at the hands of Essendon almost complete), I think I've finally got enough data to put together the first form ladder of 2014.

Anyone wondering what this is all about should read this:

http://magpies.net/nick/bb/viewtopic.php?t=70563

In the meantime, here's the form ladder for round 3:

1. Hawthorn
2. Essendon
3. Fremantle
4. West Coast
5. Port Adelaide
6. Geelong
7. North Melbourne
8. Gold Coast

9. Collingwood
10. Richmond
11. Western Bulldogs
12. GWS
13. Sydney
14. Carlton
15. St. Kilda
16. Brisbane
17. Adelaide
18. Melbourne

I'd divide this ladder into four distinct groups: 1) the top two, Hawthorn and Essendon, who are already way out in front of the pack; 2) the rest of the top eight, all doing well without looking like serious premiership contenders; 3) teams nine to thirteen, who have all been mediocre but shown some positive signs; and 4) the bottom five, none of whom I would expect to come close to making the 8 this year.

Some hard calls: I initially had Port in fourth and West Coast fifth, but decided the Eagles' performance against the Bulldogs was the most impressive of either club so far. I really struggled to place the two Sydney teams, initially having Carlton above them before tonight's effort. And lastly, there may be a few raised eyebrows with having us in 9th spot, but I think we've played well the past two weeks and can possibly move as high as 7th with a good performance next week.

What do you all think? Any major disagreements?

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What'sinaname Libra



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:13 pm
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David, funnily enough, I reckon I've seen enough to call the top 8 for this year and it's your top 8 as posted, but not necessarily in that order.
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:26 pm
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Who's in your top four? I guess Hawthorn, Essendon and Fremantle are all in there?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 11:09 pm
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Essendon will lose the plot when the peds wear off
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:18 am
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...or the suspensions arrive, whichever comes first! But for now, in my view, they're doing significantly better than 16 other teams.

Given the past couple of seasons, it almost seems inevitable that the wheels will fall off by July. I guess we'll see.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:44 am
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without looking, how does the form ladder compare to the actual ladder at this stage?
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:14 am
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There are some similarities. The biggest differences are that West Coast are currently 1st, GWS are 6th, St. Kilda are 9th, North Melbourne are 10th and we're 13th. Otherwise, there are a few subtle differences in position.
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:44 pm
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All right, here's a stab at round 4. See what you think!

1. Hawthorn
2. Fremantle
3. Geelong
4. Essendon
5. Port Adelaide
6. North Melbourne
7. West Coast
8. Collingwood

9. Gold Coast
10. Western Bulldogs
11. Richmond
12. GWS
13. Sydney
14. Adelaide
15. St. Kilda
16. Carlton
17. Melbourne
18. Brisbane

Amazingly, given how few games have passed, only one team outside that top 8 (Gold Coast) looks like a genuine chance to play finals right now. Richmond, Adelaide and Sydney could perhaps make it if they get their act together, but none of the above have been playing anything like top 8 teams.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:46 pm
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Essendon can't (in any sane universe) be 4th. Also, since the Dees just flogged the Scum, there is no sensible basis for saying their form is reversed. I would have been inclined to the view that kicking 7 goals in a game against the Dees qualified a team for VFL ranking.
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David Libra

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:18 pm
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I did seriously consider placing Melbourne higher than Carlton, but in my view the Blues' overall performance from rounds 1-3 was superior. It was a tough call. I also wonder if I'm being overly harsh putting Brisbane last (they were actually pretty good against Geelong and Hawthorn). Not much between 14th and 16th.

Not sure why you dismiss Essendon—easily dispatched a top 6 team (North), pushed the premiership favourites all the way and demolished Carlton. If it hadn't been for their loss today I would have had them 2nd or 3rd. Where would you have them?

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Pies4shaw Leo

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:39 pm
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Somewhere between 7th and 12th. They got North before the season started properly and, since then, they've only beaten the Scum, which - as is becoming obvious - is a little like beating the Oodnadatta thirds.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:03 am
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North should be above Port, they beat them and both have only lost the once.

West Coast shouldn't be in the 8. Have beaten no one and were flogged by the only someone they have played. Not sure which team should be though Wink.

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David Libra

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:48 am
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Thrashing the Bulldogs wasn't a bad effort, given that they've been pretty competitive in their other matches. But yeah, otherwise not much to write home about.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:11 am
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It also seems that Essendon were a bit too cute withdrawing chappie fletcher and Myers at the last minute and being forced to play injured Goddard on a stinking hot day in Perth.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:32 am
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David wrote:
I did seriously consider placing Melbourne higher than Carlton, but in my view the Blues' overall performance from rounds 1-3 was superior. It was a tough call. I also wonder if I'm being overly harsh putting Brisbane last (they were actually pretty good against Geelong and Hawthorn). Not much between 14th and 16th.

Not sure why you dismiss Essendon—easily dispatched a top 6 team (North), pushed the premiership favourites all the way and demolished Carlton. If it hadn't been for their loss today I would have had them 2nd or 3rd. Where would you have them?


how many full games of football do you watch?

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