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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
Location: In flagrante delicto
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| 1061 wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | 1061 wrote: |
Would you consider a Direct Conversation on Facebook >private communication<? |
| Stui magpie wrote: | | Not quite but for the sake of argument I'll play along. |
Which bit did you miss? |
The bit where you stop making excuses and just answer the question.
I didn't ask about your name or who your FB friends are as it has no baring on the question. Now stop making an Rss of yourself and answer it properly. |
OK, humour me please because I've completely lost track here.
What is the question you want me to answer?
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Stupied
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| David wrote: |
Secondly, the "teenager teenager teenager" was how old, again? If over the age of consent, then the poor guy hasn't even done anything wrong. The fact that her mother freaked out doesn't necessarily imply that her daughter was underage; would you stop being protective of your kids the minute they turn 18? Let's also not forget that Josh is hardly some 50-year-old predator soliciting images from young girls; he's barely out of teenage years himself.
Thirdly, I agree with you on turning up late and so on. Those are the sort of things that clubs should be able to discipline players for, up to and including sacking for repeat unprofessional behaviour. But that's not what he was sacked for.
I hope this isn't the last we've heard of it, because I really hope that the kid's management pursue this. |
Since you seem to want to know, this was posted on the Carlton big footy board:
| Quote: | | I've just been told (by someone who works closely with the club) that she was 15 and had saved the snaps to her phone. Her mother found them, stormed up to Visy and demanded to speak with Sticks or she was going to come back with a media contingent. |
It's also been reported that both the AFLPA and Bootsmas management have both accepted Bootsma's dismissal with no hint of protest. The kid has £$%$ed up badly enough that nobody who knows the full details has leapt to his defence. It's particularly telling that his management haven't even made a fuss, as they stand to lose money from his contract being torn up. |
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think positive 
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Well done stupied
The prosecution rests!
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1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
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| stui magpie wrote: | | 1061 wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | 1061 wrote: |
Would you consider a Direct Conversation on Facebook >private communication<? |
| Stui magpie wrote: | | Not quite but for the sake of argument I'll play along. |
Which bit did you miss? |
The bit where you stop making excuses and just answer the question.
I didn't ask about your name or who your FB friends are as it has no baring on the question. Now stop making an Rss of yourself and answer it properly. |
OK, humour me please because I've completely lost track here.
What is the question you want me to answer? |
The only thing you've lost is a bit of respect
Goodnight |
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Brenny
Joined: 05 Apr 2011
Location: Westpac Centre
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| Such a shame, Bootsma was the only Carlton player who had shown some balls this year. |
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1061
Joined: 06 Sep 2013
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| As the club runs childens events it would be mandated to report this if the girl was underage! |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda
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| think positive wrote: | Well done stupied
The prosecution rests! |
Um, the prosecution rests because someone here read something posted by someone who claims to know someone? One hopes that the law of the land requires a little more in the way of evidence!
Though, if true, that story does seem to explain the decision by his management and AFLPA not to pursue the matter. That doesn't mean that they were totally in the right, however—there could still have been reasonable mitigating factors: did Bootsma know that she was underage? Was he in a position to know?
I know there are some here who think that the mere act of taking a photo of your penis and putting it online makes you a godforsaken pervert, and there'd be more than a few people with that mentality in the Carlton boardroom, so I can imagine those people will have already tuned out. Those with a modicum of interest in employee rights, on the other hand, might take a slightly more balanced approach to this.
Anyway, whether or not she was underage, I do want to see a time in the future when players' off-field actions are no longer considered aspects of their employment. If it's a matter for the law then the law can sort it out. These draconian "social media codes" laid out by employers are just totally unnecessary and—yes, Stui—more than a little fascist.
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The Prototype 
Paint my face with a good-for-nothin smile.
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
Location: Hobart, Tasmania
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Culprit 
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Port Melbourne
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After the Nudie Run Story we will take him at East Burwood.  |
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
Location: On a journey to seek the scriptures of enlightenment....
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^Can't believe you're the one to make the link!! 
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| The Prototype wrote: | | Quote: | Sacked AFL player Josh Bootsma propositioned a young fan for sex within 15 minutes of connecting on social media, according to reports.
The 21-year-old Carlton Blues draft pick sent the 23-year-old woman explicit images and asked her around to his house, telling her he was single despite having a girlfriend who was pregnant, the Herald Sun reports.
"I think you are a sexy girl who deserves to be treated like a princess," one of his messages read.
"Are you up for a sex session on Tuesday?" a later message read.
Bootsma was sacked by Carlton on Tuesday after his inappropriate use of social media proved to be the last straw in a series of discipline issues over several months. |
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/06/05/06/05/sacked-carlton-player-josh-bootsma-asked-fan-for-sex-session#RxMc94CbTdYZs2Tg.99 |
So, hang on, was that it? Or was there another incident? Please tell me there was, because if that's what he was sacked over...
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
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David -
A football club makes most of their money via selling memberships and sponsorship.
The actions of young Bootsma have the potential to diminish those 2 sources of income.
What is not to understand about his dismissal??????
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Brenny
Joined: 05 Apr 2011
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| David wrote: | | think positive wrote: | Well done stupied
The prosecution rests! |
Um, the prosecution rests because someone here read something posted by someone who claims to know someone? One hopes that the law of the land requires a little more in the way of evidence!
Though, if true, that story does seem to explain the decision by his management and AFLPA not to pursue the matter. That doesn't mean that they were totally in the right, however—there could still have been reasonable mitigating factors: did Bootsma know that she was underage? Was he in a position to know?
I know there are some here who think that the mere act of taking a photo of your penis and putting it online makes you a godforsaken pervert, and there'd be more than a few people with that mentality in the Carlton boardroom, so I can imagine those people will have already tuned out. Those with a modicum of interest in employee rights, on the other hand, might take a slightly more balanced approach to this.
Anyway, whether or not she was underage, I do want to see a time in the future when players' off-field actions are no longer considered aspects of their employment. If it's a matter for the law then the law can sort it out. These draconian "social media codes" laid out by employers are just totally unnecessary and—yes, Stui—more than a little fascist. |
David just in regards to the red bold (and the bold only).
Forget that he's a football player and lets call him a regular person.
Regardless of anything, the person in question (Bootsma) should have had enough common sense not to put himself in that position in the first place.
Snap chat or not, he should have had that bit of mind to say to himself 'this could get me in trouble'. Not necessarily with his employer, but with the law! |
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think positive
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Joined: 30 Jun 2005
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| David wrote: | | The Prototype wrote: | | Quote: | Sacked AFL player Josh Bootsma propositioned a young fan for sex within 15 minutes of connecting on social media, according to reports.
The 21-year-old Carlton Blues draft pick sent the 23-year-old woman explicit images and asked her around to his house, telling her he was single despite having a girlfriend who was pregnant, the Herald Sun reports.
"I think you are a sexy girl who deserves to be treated like a princess," one of his messages read.
"Are you up for a sex session on Tuesday?" a later message read.
Bootsma was sacked by Carlton on Tuesday after his inappropriate use of social media proved to be the last straw in a series of discipline issues over several months. |
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/06/05/06/05/sacked-carlton-player-josh-bootsma-asked-fan-for-sex-session#RxMc94CbTdYZs2Tg.99 |
So, hang on, was that it? Or was there another incident? Please tell me there was, because if that's what he was sacked over... |
It was the LAST straw, that indicates things have come before,
Such as being late to training on more than one occasion,
Being late for appointments (specialists charge an arm and a leg, if he's late, they charge, the club pays)
He has also shown up 2 years running not meeting the skin folds requirements, let's remember this is professional sport, it's part of the job requirement.
And then there is the I'm to sick to play, I'm staying in bed, and stupidly using social media to post a pic of him and his girlfriend strolling on the beach at the exact time the team is playing. So there's another social media thing.
The guy is a fool
At least now some other kid who might not be quite as talented, but will have a real crack, put in the effort, and build a decent career out of footy for himself, and prove worthy of the club forking out those big bucks they pay players, satifsfying the members who also help pay, and the sponsors who also help pay.
The dude was not earring his pay, and he rubbed the clubs nose in it one too many times
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003
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| King Monkey wrote: | | The actions of young Bootsma have the potential to diminish those 2 sources of income. |
Bullshit. That's what Neil Mitchell and the tabloid newspapers that thrive on sensationalism and prying into people's private affairs want you to believe. The fact is that most football fans don't give a rat's what players get up to in their spare time and the vast majority of them would never let such trivialities affect their choice whether to renew or not.
Sponsors, admittedly, are a slightly different matter. Many aren't afraid to play the cynical game of taking the moral high ground—and, more importantly, getting a bit of free publicity—over some tabloid issue and then quietly crawling back a few weeks or months later once the scapegoat has been thrown under the bus. Even if they leave for good, there's always guaranteed to be someone there willing to take their place. Football clubs are lucrative that way.
But this all misses the point: clubs aren't just responsible for getting x amount of profits in a given financial year. They have—or, at least, should have—the responsibility to treat their employees with fairness and dignity, even if in some cases it might cost them a sponsor or a handful of self-righteous members.
Let me present you with the following analogy: a star Collingwood player comes out as gay. Let's say that it emerges that he goes to The Peel every weekend in the off-season and takes another gentleman home. Now, as I said, I don't really believe that fans tear up their memberships because of the actions of one player, but let's say your hypothesis were true and they actually do: there are plenty of homophobic football supporters out there who think that homosexuality is immoral and repugnant. Perhaps there might even be a homophobic sponsor, perhaps a Christian charity or some backwoods country timber company who have a lot of 'old-fashioned' customers and can't afford to be associated with homosexuality. Under your hypothesis, the club will actually lose money because of this revelation. Should they censure that player for his actions?
Now, you'll say that the difference here is that being a promiscuous gay man is not immoral but trying to cheat on your girlfriend is. But who ever set clubs up as moral arbiters over such things? Why should they have the right to be? This is Stui's cue to come in and remind us that employers are currently granted the ability to make demands on employees' private lives and that social media behaviour is covered by player contracts. We know all that. My argument is that they should not be able to do so. Carlton should not have had the right to sack Bootsma over this, and I really wish that the AFLPA would take a stronger line on these issues. Unfortunately, I think that they're too invested in player payments to make a serious commitment to civil liberties.
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