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Lazza
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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I think the scum fans have received far worse actions and abuse directed at them from fans of the other AFL clubs (and vice versa). All this sooking, whinging and whining by them only shows how bloody mentally weak, precious and thin skinned the scum fans are.... 
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stui magpie 
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FWIW I'm not a massive fan of Goodes, i think he's a grandstander and professional victim. Damn good footballer though, or at least he used to be.
However, I don't and won't boo him and I tend to cringe at people who do, whatever their reasons.
About the only player I'll be prepared to outright boo is Joel Sellwood because I consider him a fkn serial cheat.
That's not saying that the black fella can do fine as long as he acts like a white fella and doesn't do anything controversial, I have a lot of time for Michael Long for one. Goodes just doesn't do it for me. Maybe because he never grew up with Aboriginal culture and he's discovering it all late he's got a more abrasive approach. Dunno.
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David 
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Joined: 27 Jul 2003
Location: Andromeda
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I posted this in the GD thread, but thought it was good enough to post twice. I think this answers the question in the thread title pretty well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeBu735nFYw
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Wokko 
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| If I want to hear social justice nonsense I'll jump onto social media, tumblr, or read The Age section with all the leftist women bitching about privilege, patriarchy and the rest of that bullshit. I love sport because it is a contest with winners and losers and rules of behavior. Keep the politics off the damn field, because that cringe worthy display was pure political bullshit. Michael Long is an inspiration for reconciliation, displays like this just make the peacock involved look like a twat. |
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John Wren 
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| stui magpie wrote: | FWIW I'm not a massive fan of Goodes, i think he's a grandstander and professional victim. Damn good footballer though, or at least he used to be.
However, I don't and won't boo him and I tend to cringe at people who do, whatever their reasons.
About the only player I'll be prepared to outright boo is Joel Sellwood because I consider him a fkn serial cheat.
That's not saying that the black fella can do fine as long as he acts like a white fella and doesn't do anything controversial, I have a lot of time for Michael Long for one. Goodes just doesn't do it for me. Maybe because he never grew up with Aboriginal culture and he's discovering it all late he's got a more abrasive approach. Dunno. |
the strategy is fine, the execution awful.
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watt price tully 
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Nail hit head. Called it clearly & concisely.
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watt price tully
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| Wokko wrote: | | If I want to hear social justice nonsense I'll jump onto social media, tumblr, or read The Age section with all the leftist women bitching about privilege, patriarchy and the rest of that bullshit. I love sport because it is a contest with winners and losers and rules of behavior. Keep the politics off the damn field, because that cringe worthy display was pure political bullshit. Michael Long is an inspiration for reconciliation, displays like this just make the peacock involved look like a twat. |
Try watching / listening to Walled Aly on David's youtube link. Calls it like it is.
Michael Long faced reactionary bullshit at the time - you might be too young to remember but there was a backlash. The then mantra was "what happens on the field stays on the field" to excuse bad & racist behaviour amongst other things. Talkback & all were full of shrill outrage.
Now, "leftist women" - you still bangin' on about that.
Michael Long's action at the time was highly political: what else is the reconciliation movement?
That's where Jake Niall's article about the passive & the active type of "blacks" for want of a better term, provides a useful construct, indeed a good way of explaining some of the reactions to Goodes being booed.
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Wokko
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I can't stand that guy, do I have to?
My point with Long is that he is trying to bring us together, reconciliation isn't just a buzz word, it has a meaning and self serving nonsense like Goodes' sets it back just so he can have another 'look at me' moment. If he'd done that at Vic Park he would've copped a can of VB to the scone, is that the reaction he wants? All it takes is one riled up fan to cause some real shit to happen and end up with segregation of fans and chain link between the field and the outer. |
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David
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If Goodes doing a traditional dance on a football field takes us further from reconciliation, then I don't think he's the one with the problem.
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watt price tully
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| Wokko wrote: | I can't stand that guy, do I have to?
My point with Long is that he is trying to bring us together, reconciliation isn't just a buzz word, it has a meaning and self serving nonsense like Goodes' sets it back just so he can have another 'look at me' moment. If he'd done that at Vic Park he would've copped a can of VB to the scone, is that the reaction he wants? All it takes is one riled up fan to cause some real shit to happen and end up with segregation of fans and chain link between the field and the outer. |
No one says you have to like anybody including Goodes .
I just think much of the reaction is based on what Ali & Niall were talking about.
It was just as bad when he was awarded the Australian of the Year: as though he nominated & awarded "it" to himself.
In other words, the reaction is so OTT, disproportionate & histrionic one wonders WTF is that about? It ain't about Goodes. In my view it is rooted in a view that minorities ought not act beyond their station: It threatens "our" sense of our own tolerance ( & we are tolerant) as Waleed Ali was pointing which Jake Niall was also saying about the activist type of black person (Spike Lee vs Bill Crosby (pre allegations that is!), (Jesse Jackson vs Barak Obama).
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John Wren
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you can not force people to reconcile. people don't like being lectured to or have things forced down their throat. it will create great resentment. this is a change issue and if we, as a country, are to embrace and integrate the indigenous aspects of our society we need to go on the journey together. the incident on friday night has done little to help the cause.
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watt price tully
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| John Wren wrote: | | you can not force people to reconcile. people don't like being lectured to or have things forced down their throat. it will create great resentment. this is a change issue and if we, as a country, are to embrace and integrate the indigenous aspects of our society we need to go on the journey together. the incident on friday night has done little to help the cause. |
I'm not sure anyone is lecturing anyone. But do take notes.
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King Monkey
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
Location: On a journey to seek the scriptures of enlightenment....
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| watt price tully wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | If I want to hear social justice nonsense I'll jump onto social media, tumblr, or read The Age section with all the leftist women bitching about privilege, patriarchy and the rest of that bullshit. I love sport because it is a contest with winners and losers and rules of behavior. Keep the politics off the damn field, because that cringe worthy display was pure political bullshit. Michael Long is an inspiration for reconciliation, displays like this just make the peacock involved look like a twat. |
Try watching / listening to Walled Aly on David's youtube link. Calls it like it is.
Michael Long faced reactionary bullshit at the time - you might be too young to remember but there was a backlash. The then mantra was "what happens on the field stays on the field" to excuse bad & racist behaviour amongst other things. Talkback & all were full of shrill outrage.
Now, "leftist women" - you still bangin' on about that.
Michael Long's action at the time was highly political: what else is the reconciliation movement?
That's where Jake Niall's article about the passive & the active type of "blacks" for want of a better term, provides a useful construct, indeed a good way of explaining some of the reactions to Goodes being booed. |
There is a massive difference to Long's and Goodes' contributions to reconciliation.
Long made an actual point. He changed attitudes, he changed the way people thought & acted in certain situations for the better. He helped people understand that insults towards his culture went beyond the realms of banter, they genuinely hurt.
People don't think and act like they used to in that regard.
Goodes on the other hand, in a lot of people's eyes has done not a great deal else for the cause than divide opinion.
His first foray into the political statement spectrum had him turning an individualised insult from a crowd member at the footy, into evidence we have a problem with racism. A lot of people rejected that notion. The subsequent attempts to paint everyone who disagree and/or don't like this guy as racist, threatened, or backward were/are absolutely astonishing.
He is not disliked because he's "a black challenger", frankly all that is bullsh**. The argument is a construct to paint those with opposing views a certain way. 
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David
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How has this become about reconciliation? Is Goodes suddenly personally responsible for the state of Aboriginal/non-Aboriginal relations?
Why not hold white individuals to the same standard? I haven't heard one person criticise Eddie McGuire or Derryn Hinch or Dennis Cometti for "not acting in the best interests of reconciliation".
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Wokko
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I've heard plenty criticize Eddie on this very topic, have you been under a rock? A white man just has to open his mouth and every holier than thou halfwit is down his throat in half a second. Unless people toe the PC line on thus they get shouted down and insulted. This forum is one of the most polite and balanced discussions on this issue I've seen (scary I know  ) |
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