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David 
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But do buffaloes really behave so loyally?
If that were a human herd, the humans would just abandon the stragglers to die painful and lonely deaths. |
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stui magpie 
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| K wrote: | But do buffaloes really behave so loyally?
If that were a human herd, the humans would just abandon the stragglers to die painful and lonely deaths. |
Pretty much exactly what the Buffalo do. 
Nice one David, I read that but decided against posting it, more fun when people are intrigued enough to investigate. 
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Q&A: The ABCs of E-Cigarettes
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/health/qna-ecigarettes-teenagers.html
"Does nicotine have risks?
Nicotine is not known to cause cancer. It is a stimulant and a sedative, helping to release dopamine in the brain’s pleasure centers. Some research suggests it can improve memory and concentration — although long-term smoking has been associated with cognitive decline. Inhaled nicotine can increase heart rate and blood pressure. The major cause for alarm is that nicotine is highly addictive. It is the chemical in tobacco and e-cigarettes that binds the user.
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Teens are also using vapes to inhale marijuana. “It seems that kids who use e-cigarettes are more likely to use marijuana in general — smoked or vaped. Is there a gateway effect? We’re just getting data now. But it’s concerning,” said Dr. Rachel Boykan, an associate professor at Stony Brook medical school who researches adolescence and tobacco control." |
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Canada’s Grand Cannabis Experiment Has Set Scientists Free
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/20/opinion/cannabis-science-legal-marijuana-canada.html
"No longer at risk of censure or lacking access to specimens, researchers can transcend the narrow parameters of scientific study once considered acceptable, namely, clinical research, to explore social, biological, genetic and agricultural questions. From botanists to phytochemists, microbiologists to epidemiologists, scientists of all sorts are free to openly pursue a greater quantity and quality of cannabis science than ever before.
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It was Canada, in 2001, that became the first country to sanction the medical use of marijuana. It was a Canadian team, in 2011, that published the first sequence of the cannabis genome. Yet these landmark contributions, and the array of peer-reviewed studies that were spurred, rarely strayed past lines of inquiry that ran parallel with social norms.
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The Canadian government, once unwilling to touch the stuff, has stepped up to properly examine how cannabis affects the body and brain. It’s funding 14 new studies and has set aside millions more for research grants that could ask questions like, Will a pregnant mother using cannabis harm her baby’s development? Does smoking affect drivers’ reaction time behind the wheel? And at what threshold does teenagers’ pot consumption become destructive?
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With the legal barriers torn down, a path has been cleared for Canadians to stake a global claim in the emerging field of research. New science projects are taking shape in Europe, Israel and Australia, many the fruit of joint ventures with Canadian companies, others made possible only with imported dried medical marijuana and cannabis oil from Canada.
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Canada’s statistical agency and the country’s health ministry are already gathering information from a newly visible population of cannabis users. The metrics could enable jurisdictions worldwide to devise policy reforms and public health programs that minimize legalization’s potentially negative impacts.
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Therapeutic marijuana application dates back thousands of years, according to archaeological and historical records.
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Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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The claim that "Therapeutic marijuana application dates back thousands of years, according to archaeological and historical records." is linked to the paper
Phytochemical and genetic analyses of ancient cannabis from Central Asia
Ethan B. Russo et al.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2639026/pdf/ern260.pdf
From the abstract:
"The Yanghai Tombs near Turpan, Xinjiang-Uighur Autonomous Region, China have recently been excavated to reveal the 2700-year-old grave of a Caucasoid shaman whose accoutrements included a large cache of cannabis, superbly preserved by climatic and burial conditions. ... The cannabis was presumably employed by this culture as a medicinal or psychoactive agent, or an aid to divination. ..."
From the discussion:
" Current data do not permit it to be ascertained how the cannabis from the tomb was administered. If used orally, perhaps it was combined in some fashion with Capparis spinosa L., as these plants were found together in a nearby but later tomb at Yanghai ... If this cannabis were smoked or inhaled, no mechanism for so doing has been excavated in the area. ... While cultivation of hemp for fibre has been documented in Eastern China from a much earlier date ..., the current findings represent the most compelling physical evidence to date for the use of cannabis for its medicinal or mystical attributes." |
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stui magpie
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| K wrote: | Q&A: The ABCs of E-Cigarettes
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/health/qna-ecigarettes-teenagers.html
"Does nicotine have risks?
Nicotine is not known to cause cancer. It is a stimulant and a sedative, helping to release dopamine in the brain’s pleasure centers. Some research suggests it can improve memory and concentration — although long-term smoking has been associated with cognitive decline. Inhaled nicotine can increase heart rate and blood pressure. The major cause for alarm is that nicotine is highly addictive. It is the chemical in tobacco and e-cigarettes that binds the user.
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Teens are also using vapes to inhale marijuana. “It seems that kids who use e-cigarettes are more likely to use marijuana in general — smoked or vaped. Is there a gateway effect? We’re just getting data now. But it’s concerning,” said Dr. Rachel Boykan, an associate professor at Stony Brook medical school who researches adolescence and tobacco control." |
I'll call the gateway effect of young people starting of vaping then moving to cigarettes bullshit. At least in Australia.
In most of Europe and the USA, cigarettes are cheap and they have flavoured options in Europe banned here. Vaping is also legal and a more healthy alternative to cigarettes
No sane Australian kid is going to start of Vaping where they can get as many flavours as they want for minimal ongoing outlay then swap to actual cigarettes which come in 2 flavours, tobacco and menthol, and cost an arm and leg.
Vaping does help you quit or at least reduce. I've gone from 40+ cigarettes a day to 15 in 2 weeks using an e cigarette
Quitting completely is more difficult than cutting down as, while you don't go through nicotine withdrawal, you do have to deal with the impact of all the other chemicals in cigarettes.
If we make cannabis legal while continuing to have nicotine containing e cigarettes illegal, our governments have officially lost the plot.
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"In Wales, a bid by the Labour Party to partially ban e-cigarettes in public places was voted down in May 2016. The Westminster government made clear it doesn’t want to legislate against using e-cigarettes in public places, but it is unclear whether you will be allowed to smoke e-cigarettes on trains, in pubs, or in workplaces."
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/e-cigarettes
[I wonder how passive e-smoking compares with passing regular smoking (that being the main issue of concern for me about public places such as trains). I mean, there's still smoke, right?] |
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stui magpie
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| K wrote: | "In Wales, a bid by the Labour Party to partially ban e-cigarettes in public places was voted down in May 2016. The Westminster government made clear it doesn’t want to legislate against using e-cigarettes in public places, but it is unclear whether you will be allowed to smoke e-cigarettes on trains, in pubs, or in workplaces."
https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/e-cigarettes
[I wonder how passive e-smoking compares with passing regular smoking (that being the main issue of concern for me about public places such as trains). I mean, there's still smoke, right?] |
Wrong
Cigarettes do smoke, e cigarettes do vapour. 2 different things and there have been studies that show that passive "smoking" from e cigarette vapour is not dangerous, unlike cigarette smoke.
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think positive
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| K wrote: | But do buffaloes really behave so loyally?
If that were a human herd, the humans would just abandon the stragglers to die painful and lonely deaths. |
not sure about buffolo but a bison followed me for 3 days in yellowstone!
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think positive
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hopefully they get retired to good homes
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