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Doc63
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Disappointing margin in the end, but plenty of upside. I don't think we deserved a 43 point loss.
I just hope those two games havent taken so much out of us that we struggle this week. This is a real danger game now. We cant afford to lose this one.
It now looks like we will never get our best 22 out there, its just not going to happen.
Hopefully, Moore will be right to replace Reid. Adams, Varcoe, Crocker & Langdon will also probably be available.
I dont think we are that far off the pace. A bit of luck with injuries, we could finish well inside the 8.
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Varcoe�Langdon only rested so suggest they be fine
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There was a lot to like about our game in the first 3 quarters no doubt.
Tackles were 60 odd to 40 something in our favor - Good
Contested Possies were 170 odd to 140 odd not in our favor - Not so good, but it would be interesting to know what those figures were at 3 Qtr time before we fell away? I suspect they would've been a lot more even, perhaps in our favor!
Essentially we remained 'manic' around the ball and effectively stifled the run the Tigers have historically enjoyed. There's no questioning the desire for the contest!
What i did notice was we appeared to revert to old habits in the final Qtr - that is we executed quite a few 'panic or chaos' kicks out of D50, which is in direct contrast to what we'd been doing the previous qtr's and few weeks! I put that down to fatigue tbh.
Much to like for sure and if nothing else, it'll give the boys an idea of what they need to do in order to match the likes of Richmond etc - Oh and do it on a full tank of gas 
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I think we have got about 6 Injured/Sore players from the Game
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| piedys wrote: | | jayaykay wrote: | Has anyone heard anything more about Cotchin's sling tackle...was it on Blair? I just caught a brief glimpse of the incident during a slo-mo replay, but I can't recall if any commentator picked up on it.
Usually they replay these sorts of things over and over.
And didn't Cotchin get a free kick from this? I assume it was from some sort of Pies retaliation? |
F&cking amazing isn't it?
Will be watching very closely to see if sniper-girl gets looked at for this.
Good snipe by Rance on Blair as well, when his head was over the ball.
Play on.
How did we get those c&nts of things for umpires yesterday? |
Update from shithead central's website of lies:
| Quote: | | Richmond captain Trent Cotchin's tackle on Jarryd Blair in the third quarter was looked at, but the force was found to be too low to warrant a report. |
Never mind that that dog sniper girl has got form...
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^^^^
Funny how because Blair wasn't injured it's considered low impact.
The rules don't actually state the player tackled has to be injured for it to be a reportable offence.
If Blair had just laid there instead of jumping straight up then it's likely Cotchin is charged (whether he's suspended or not after that isn't the issue)
Cotchin pinned Blair's arms and forcefully threw him to the ground when he was unable to protect himself
That's what the rule was brought in to stop
The worst was Blair was disposed of the ball and it went for a goal when it should have at a minimum been a free kick to us with us attacking then.
Cotchin is a sniper has been for years next time we play them I would put Greenwood on him and tell him to make his life a living nightmare at every contest and let's see if he's willing to snipe Greenwood
I would tell Levi you will get a years contract extension of you knock the prick out cold by whatever means. |
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piedys
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| qldmagpie67 wrote: | ^^^^
Funny how because Blair wasn't injured it's considered low impact.
The rules don't actually state the player tackled has to be injured for it to be a reportable offence.
If Blair had just laid there instead of jumping straight up then it's likely Cotchin is charged (whether he's suspended or not after that isn't the issue)
Cotchin pinned Blair's arms and forcefully threw him to the ground when he was unable to protect himself
That's what the rule was brought in to stop
The worst was Blair was disposed of the ball and it went for a goal when it should have at a minimum been a free kick to us with us attacking then.
Cotchin is a sniper has been for years next time we play them I would put Greenwood on him and tell him to make his life a living nightmare at every contest and let's see if he's willing to snipe Greenwood
I would tell Levi you will get a years contract extension of you knock the prick out cold by whatever means. |
Wouldn't it be justice if we say finished 4th and scored them in a QF at the MCG? You'd tell Greenwood "no holds barred, anything goes", and just play a Duckwood game on him. He snipes Levi, and gets 3 weeks. If only...
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Saturday 28th July we have another crack at the Tigers👏👏
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| Cam wrote: | | We have more talent across the board than Richmond, now that we have their gamestyle it is only a matter of time before we start to beat them again. |
I think you're seriously under-rating Richmond's list. Toby Nankervis plays well against Grundy and played a ripper again yesterday when it counted: in the last quarter where he smashed Grundy. Costanza is a great pick up as is Short and the kid who Dunn felled in the goal square is a ripper. Add in their stars: Cotchin (can't stand him) Martin and Reiwoldt then they have a prrtty good and fast team.
Of course sooner or later we will beat them, hopefully sooner
Losing Aish in the third quarter affected our rotations causing further fatigue on players with a day less preparation.
We just looked more tired than Lily Von Shtup
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Didn't deserve to lose by 43 points in the end, but Richmond are the benchmark at the moment. I watched them live against the Demons last Tuesday, and the nature of their victory was very similar to the one they had yesterday.
We competed well for most of the match, but we ran out of gas in the last 5 minutes when Richmond piled on late goals courtesy of their small forwards and widened the margin. Had Phillips somehow managed to kick that goal when he slipped in the goal square, we would have been 14 points down with about 5 minutes left so it was closer than the margin suggested.
I don't particularly value David King's opinion most of the time, but something he said on AFL 360 last Wednesday night about the way the Tigers play proved to be correct with the way yesterday's match transpired. He said the following: "Their [Richmond] pressure game gets better as the game goes on. Most teams puncture after about two and half quarters. They just can't handle the heat."
Treloar was outstanding and easily our best player. Phillips cops a lot of criticism with his ball use, but he's still a very handy accumulator and gut running player which is required in the modern game.
Grundy was decent, but I think Nankervis got the better of him around the ground, but maybe this can be explained by Grundy's injury niggles with his shin.
We lost the game, but I remain upbeat about our future prospects. We need to make sure we consolidate what we've produced so far and put in a strong performance against the Lions.
I don't think we're a top 4 side because all three losses have come against sides who currently sit in the top 4, but I think we're in the mix to play finals if we can keep producing more of the same in the future.
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Buckley's Press Conference:
How did you assess that?
| Quote: | | "Encouraging. Lost too many contests in the second half, both in the air and on the ground which affected our ability to play the way we wanted to play I suppose against a pretty good team. For the large parts of it, we were probably wrestling with ourselves to get the game on our terms and we didn't nail it, but it was enough to have us in the game and 20 minutes into the third quarter to be in that position to be still in the lead. Clearly Richmond's will to execute their game style was stronger and the last 40 minutes fell away for us largely off the back of contest. As you can see in this game, things can fall apart pretty quickly if you don't get the basics right so for us it was pretty much that in a nutshell. Contest in the last 40 minutes was not up to standard and bested by the best contested ball side in the comp" |
Was losing Aish a factor in the final margin?
| Quote: | | "The margin is not so much of a concern. We were in the game for quite a while. Not looking at the number between us and them at the end of the game, but we were just unable to play the way we wanted to play in the last 40 minutes. Being a player down happens in more games than not. It does impact on your capacity to change things up. I don't know what impact it has off a short break, but we're not going to cry poor about it. It was unfortunate. The most disappointing thing about that was the injury to Aish himself and to Reid late" |
Do you think Richmond having an extra day to recover have an impact on the final quarter?
What's the prognosis of Maynard, Reid and Aish?
| Quote: | | "Maynard will be alright. It's just a rolled ankle. Reid it's an achilles injury of some sort. I don't like the sound of that but we'll see when the dust settles. Aish is a PCL injury and we need to get it scanned to understand the significance of it. It would be premature to speculate on either of those boys" |
What about Moore, Adams, Wells, Fasolo and Elliott?
| Quote: | | "They're travelling really well. I don't know whether they'll be up for this week or not" |
You got no idea whether Taylor Adams or Darcy Moore are ready?
| Quote: | | "I know that Adams wanted to play today. I know that Moore isn't far off today". |
How is Wells going? Is he AFL-ready and what about Elliott and Fasolo?
| Quote: | | "Unlikely, but if we need him we'll go to him. Jamie is a few weeks away and Fas has been playing some good footy". |
Damien Hardwick's stated that Collingwood was the toughest team his side have played so far this year. What do you make of your brand so far?
| Quote: | | "We're confident of what our capacity is. We're still building that capacity. Understanding each other a bit better about the we want to play and imposing that brand on the opposition which we believe will give us the best chance of success week-to-week and whatever that looks like medium to long term through a season. We're still building on that, we're still still understanding it and we're still exploring what that looks like. We've shown some good signs over the majority of the home and away (season) to date. We're six games in and hopefully that's a quarter of what we've been exposed to and we've got opportunities to continue to improve that and develop it. We've played some pretty good opposition and we'll play some pretty good opposition in the near future that gives us another chance to learn and improve. I suppose in that regard that today is a loss but it gives us some form of reinforcement that we can stand up in some pretty fierce pressure and put some pretty fierce pressure on an opposition defensively and in the contest, but we were unable to do it well enough for long enough today". |
How's Tom Langdon doing after he was a late withdrawal?
| Quote: | | "Langdon was on the hit list a little bit after the ANZAC Day game. He was saying all the right things and was trying to get up, which is the player's job. Ultimately, the extra 24 hours we gave him after the team went out wasn't enough to get him up. That was a marginal call, but made by the medical staff and the strength conditioning boys. I thought Flynn [Appleby] came in and played his role exceptionally well. It was a really strong competitive debut from a young fella who was picked up as a rookie in November. It was a positive for us and I thought he came in and played pretty well". |
A lot of focus on Chris Mayne. You would been encouraged by his pressure acts?
| Quote: | | "I think the way we want to play, looking at the strengths of the list and the way we've structured up and the slight shifts we've made from last year, it's a changing landscape for all of our players. Mayne has attacked the pre-season and sees opportunity for himself in some roles we've got in the side. He's played real well through the VFL, as has Blair. The fact that those two boys were able to come in and execute role for the most part, we hope is another tick of what we're trying to build. You're not going to have the same personnel week to week let alone over a month to month. I thought the three boys called upon contributed really well. We're not expecting inclusions, whether they be Jamie Elliott or Chris Mayne, or whether it's Taylor Adams or Flynn Appleby, we're not expecting them to come in and be best on ground. We expect them to come in and execute their role for the team and help us play our brand of footy and we thought those three boys did for the most part". |
What did you make of the Jack Higgins free kick [after the Lynden Dunn bump] which resulted in two goals?
| Quote: | | "I think it was largely insignificant in the course of the day, so I won't be spending much time on it". |
Brodie Grundy looked like early on that he was going to tear it to shreds, but did Nankervis manage to square up?
| Quote: | | "More than squared it up. I thought Nankervis was dominant for the most part of the second half and it's just further learning for Grundy. He's still a relatively young ruckman. He's taken all before him and he's been fated for it, but he's got a level head. This is a tough caper, but he'll take the lessons from that and he'll keep going because he's made of the right stuff. I think he lowered his colours in the second half. I think ruckman are coming up against Grundy and setting themselves for him because of much of the focus of his performances more than anything else and that's what you've got to face when you're put on a pedestal like that. Grundy is not so concerned about the public platitudes but he's going to continue to work on his game and continue to improve and he'll take a lot from that". |
Mason Cox was dominant in the first half as well, but the Tigers adjusted in the second half. What do you think the Tigers do to [nullify him]?
| Quote: | | "I thought it was more Cox on dropping his guard a little and not being able to execute some of the things he was early. He clearly looked dominant early. Even those two boys, Brodie and Mason. The first half versus the second half performance. It has a significant impact on the result, but let's not put it on those two boys alone because clearly it's a team effort. It is significant. I think we didn't compete as well in the air, we didn't compete as well as on the ground and potentially that's probably because of our competitiveness aerially; ruck and contested marking. It impacts on your offence a little bit to when you sort of lose confidence in that option. There's a little bit in it for us. They're all marginal but they add up to be quite significant". |
Was that perhaps the issue in the second half of the second quarter when their were various intercept marks going forward despite being on top?
| Quote: | | "No one likes opposition defenders taking grabs. It's probably a focus of ours to bring the ball to ground. I reckon roughly 17 other teams would have that as a focus. You've got to give the defensive mechanisms of Richmond credit, but I thought for periods of the game our offensive stuff looked quite damaging". |
What are you thoughts on the way the goal review(s) panned out today?
| Quote: | | "We all want to get the decision right. I think everyone that is in the spotlight is paranoid about making blues. No one is perfect. We want to impose a perfect system. The umpires are not perfect and they miss stuff. I'm not perfect and I miss stuff. We don't get everything right but you blokes want everything to be right. There's our issue. Would you accept 95% accuracy, because you'll get that without the goal review and I don't even know we're getting 100% with it". |
It should be foolproof with the system there?
| Quote: | | "It should be or leave it to one bloke like the MRP and make sure he's waring black and white and we'll be happy with that [laughing*]". |
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2018-04-29/raw-buckley-reflects-post-match
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| watt price tully wrote: | ...
the kid who Dunn felled in the goal square is a ripper. ... |
We shall see. If he'd been drafted by Carlton, he'd have played 6 games and kicked 0 goals.
We'll see whether this kid has any improvement left in him. |
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| Jezza wrote: | Didn't deserve to lose by 43 points in the end, but Richmond are the benchmark at the moment. I watched them live against the Demons last Tuesday, and the nature of their victory was very similar to the one they had yesterday.
We competed well for most of the match, but we ran out of gas in the last 5 minutes when Richmond piled on late goals courtesy of their small forwards and widened the margin. Had Phillips somehow managed to kick that goal when he slipped in the goal square, we would have been 14 points down with about 5 minutes left so it was closer than the margin suggested.
I don't particularly value David King's opinion most of the time, but something he said on AFL 360 last Wednesday night about the way the Tigers play proved to be correct with the way yesterday's match transpired. He said the following: "Their [Richmond] pressure game gets better as the game goes on. Most teams puncture after about two and half quarters. They just can't handle the heat."
Treloar was outstanding and easily our best player. Phillips cops a lot of criticism with his ball use, but he's still a very handy accumulator and gut running player which is required in the modern game.
Grundy was decent, but I think Nankervis got the better of him around the ground, but maybe this can be explained by Grundy's injury niggles with his shin.
We lost the game, but I remain upbeat about our future prospects. We need to make sure we consolidate what we've produced so far and put in a strong performance against the Lions.
I don't think we're a top 4 side because all three losses have come against sides who currently sit in the top 4, but I think we're in the mix to play finals if we can keep producing more of the same in the future. |
i just think the tigers are playing this year like we did in 2012. They have ultimate belief that they will prevail. So they are always prepared to take the game on. They trust their teammates now so they break forward faster than every other team. Later in games, that leads to opportunities.
I remember we used to do that in 2011.
Premierships build belief. Someone needs to come along and ruin that belief. We are on of the few teams i think that could do that.
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| piedys wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | ^^^^
Funny how because Blair wasn't injured it's considered low impact.
The rules don't actually state the player tackled has to be injured for it to be a reportable offence.
If Blair had just laid there instead of jumping straight up then it's likely Cotchin is charged (whether he's suspended or not after that isn't the issue)
Cotchin pinned Blair's arms and forcefully threw him to the ground when he was unable to protect himself
That's what the rule was brought in to stop
The worst was Blair was disposed of the ball and it went for a goal when it should have at a minimum been a free kick to us with us attacking then.
Cotchin is a sniper has been for years next time we play them I would put Greenwood on him and tell him to make his life a living nightmare at every contest and let's see if he's willing to snipe Greenwood
I would tell Levi you will get a years contract extension of you knock the prick out cold by whatever means. |
Wouldn't it be justice if we say finished 4th and scored them in a QF at the MCG? You'd tell Greenwood "no holds barred, anything goes", and just play a Duckwood game on him. He snipes Levi, and gets 3 weeks. If only... |
When you retaliate you are just giving the game away. Levi is better than that. He or Adams can stand up to Cotchin, absorb all his punishment without wincing and then tell Cotchin to look up at the scoreboard when nothing Cotchin does is working. The scoreboard tells you who's winning and who's losing, not the number of opposition players lying prostate on the ground. The 1990 GF told us that. |
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qldmagpie67
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With the wife off spending a few days on the Gold Coast with our son I decided to use my time wisely.
So I have watched our last 4 games because I wanted to refresh my memory on a few things.
The one thing that stands out other than our competitiveness is the way th coaches have rotated players to various roles and the way we managed our interchange.
When Pendles was having a spell both Treloar and Sidey were in the middle, if Sidey was off Treloar & Pendles were there see a pattern always keep 2 of the most experienced players around the ball at all times.
The use of Aish has been interesting. He's played on ball and wing but also spent time as a small forward.
Come deep in the season when every side has some injuries and niggles our core group of players will be able to fill a variety of roles as required.
On the Tigers game all there good work came from Houli, Rance Cotchin, Martin & JR. If Martin and 1 other of those go down the Tigers will fall faster than Dyso pants at $1 day in Thailand
They are so overly relying on a handful of players it's ridiculous.
We were able to hold them for everything bar the last 15 of the last quarter. We were within 14 points at that time and if Phillips had held his feet when the ball was bouncing around the goal line it would have been single digits.
They had there best side minus maybe Rioli. We were missing Wells Moore Adams Varcoe Elliott all of wno would be certain starters in September and then add in Greenwood Faz Langdon Wills for possible depth if injuries hit
We didn't lose any fans in the media after that game
I spoke to a old mate of mine who was fitness coordinator in the NRL for many years and asked how important that 1 day would be in recovery. He said without knowing th surface condition and the miles run he said it would be about a 25% physical improvement. He said days 1&2 after a game are basically just working the stiffness out and commencing treating on any bruises, bumps, corks. He said days 3&4 would be about stretching and some light field or gym work. He said the next 2 days the players legs would be able to handle 90%+ of normal training requirements.
Basically it means they were in recovery getting treated while we were still bashing ourselves against the bummers.
That 24 hours turned out to be a lot in the scheme of the bodies ability to recover.
I'm ok with being 3-3 considering Elliott hasn't played a game yet and Moore has missed all bar 1 and a bit. If I was offered 3-3 at the beginning of the season looking s ththe draw I would have taken it. We played 3 sides who were in the last 4 alive last season plus the Hawks Essendon and the scum.
Other than the Hawks gsme we have been more than competitive and have had our chances.
Even last weekend had we kicked some set shots early instead of being 1 from 5 set shots we could have had a decent lead. Dunn gave up a silly one so who knows what we could have been up by at half time could have been 20+ easily and then it's a different ball game.
I don't fear the Tigers I think with a fully fit list at our disposal we can at a minimum push them to the absolute limits.
If it comes down to skill I think we have more players that can do something special |
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