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Jezza 
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Buckley's Press Conference:
How did you view that?
| Quote: | | "It was a dour game. A bit of cat and mouse in it. Both defensive structures were pretty strong. I thought they defended the ground really well, and put enough on the pressure on the ball to leave their backs in position, Stewart, Blicavs to be able to impact often enough. We tested that in the last half more so than the first, but we didn't use the ball really well early. Time ran out. What else do you need?" |
How do you get such a great divergence from last week where last week was 19 goals to 18, with it this week being 2 goals to 1 deep in the second quarter?
| Quote: | | "I think clearly Geelong have a really strong defensive focus. They're the slowest ball moving side in the comp by design so they don't lose shape when the ball turns over. They're the lowest turnover aggregate team in the competition because they're relatively safe and they're happy to go long down the line. They've got some aerial guys that do a bit of damage; Dangerfield clearly, Ratugolea, Blicavs, Taylor, Crameri dangerous in the air and Menegola, so they've got that aerial advantage so they play the game that way. They were able to enforce that style on us for the most part and we made some adjustments which clearly got things back on our terms, and it was really only those two goals in a minute late in the second quarter that put the gap in the game and we just were not able to bridge that gap, didn't kick straight enough and didn't take our chances". |
Feels like every week is a new Collingwood injury story?
| Quote: | | "Don't write about them. Every team has injuries. We've had a few recurrences so clearly Elliott today and Moore today are issues for us. Rest assured us we're not sweeping them under the carpet. We've got to find the answer to it and we want access to our best players more often. It's pretty hard when you're down a couple of rotations so it does have an impact, but the way the game was played today, it's not a high transitional game so it didn't come back to running as such. It was a bit more strategy and contest so if you're going to be down a couple a rotations, a game like that is a game you might get through. Having said that, we need Moore's aerial and I would have liked to have seen what Phillips can do with the running challenge in the last 40 minutes as well". |
What about the big picture with these guys? Elliott has a history of this stuff and a couple of setbacks now for Moore, so how much do you go back and analyse the handling of it? Is it a bio-mechanical thing with these guys or have you been able to uncover anything so far?
| Quote: | | "It's not long-term, but it's medium term. We're not sitting on our hands not assessing whether we can do things better or what the mechanisms might be. It's slightly different for each player, but it is significant. We have looked at it. We looked at it as a group about three weeks ago and we will have another look now. We're going to keep providing the best opportunity for players, we're going to keep getting our rehab right so we can get our players back and fit and standing up to the competition. Our recent schedule is a challenge. Four teams have that four day break or four and a half day break, whatever you want to see it as. There's three games in eleven or twelve days. We know that's happening, so it's not as if it was sprung on us the week before it happened. Sometimes there's a bit of luck in it as well, but we will look after what we're in control of and leave the rest to the gods". |
What's the early prognosis on both of those guys?
| Quote: | | "They will both need scans. Walshy will deliver the verdict for you. In the end, that will be the verdict for now. What a lot of people don't realise is that it's a bit of a moving target. We put might put 4 or 5 weeks on both of those boys for instance. If they respond well, they might come a week in, but if we want to be more prudent or we will feel like they need an extra couple of week's training it could go out to 7 or 8. In the end, you make the decisions on what's best for the player and what their signs are telling us. We need to look at that and make some shifts or understand what the mechanisms are so we can improve it". |
What's the update on Tom Phillips?
| Quote: | | "He obviously got the head knock. I think he copped a kick to the head. I haven't seen the incident as such. He was still pretty dusty. We will give him time to recover and do the cog states and see how he comes up over the week". |
How close was Pendles [to playing]?
| Quote: | | "We made the call on him early yesterday, so he was out from early yesterday". |
Is Reid a chance next week?
| Quote: | | "No, I don't think so" |
How's the forward structure going? Have you thought forward on how you will shape up without a couple of your big guys. Is Sam McLarty ready or?
| Quote: | | "We've had a preliminary think about it, but we'll let you know a little bit more during the week". |
Your not blessed with [big guys]?
| Quote: | | "We're blessed with role players who will come out and do the job. We're not concerned about personnel as such. As I've said, time ran out for us today regardless of our personnel or regardless of who we did and didn't have. We kick a bit straighter and do marginal things better, then you know we could win that game of footy regardless of what's thrown in front of us and that's got to be our attitude and it will continue to be our attitude". |
Could you talk about Scharenberg's development as a player. It was probably his best game at AFL level today. Probably early in the year, he wasn't in the selection mix considering he missed round 1. What has he done to get to the point of being a consistent AFL player?
| Quote: | | "They're his biggest numbers. Intercept marks and intercept possessions as well. Matty had a strong pre-season physically, but his form through the JLT was not great, like practice matches and JLT. He made a significant shift leading into those last couple of weeks and the VFL practice matches that he played. As every player does, he really clarified his thinking on his strengths, namely his aerial and aggressive positioning and then the contest. The other focus on that was to train those; to really have those clear focuses in his mind around his training form. We saw a really sharp spike from that so the credit goes to the player in getting it done. Matty came out of a bit of a funk and is playing as good of football as we've seen. As I said, you create the right environment, but the player still needs to make the decision on how he's going to go about it and he deserves everything that he's getting on field and he will only get better with more exposure". |
Chris Mayne's performance; is that the sort of performance you were banking on him eventually delivering when he was given the opportunity to step up?
| Quote: | | "His game last week was pretty good. He's really stood up in that wing role and we've played him through the wing in the VFL for the last couple of months. His diligence and his application to role has been first class; can't question it. He took the lessons from last year's preparation and changed his prep up himself. He put a little bit more speed work in. He definitely felt the pressure and the focus last year there's no doubt through the middle of the year. I think that wore on him, but he's been able to clear himself of that and break the shackles and really attack this year with a clean slate. Once again, all credit to him. He's been really strong contributor for us". |
They went without a ruckman at times today. How did you see the ruck battle?
| Quote: | | "I think it was relatively even. Having said that, the aerial aspects of the game were a significant difference in the side, especially for us forward of the ball. We were just not able to match their strong aerial and their ruck was dropping back whether it was Ratugolea or whether it was Smith. We won the hit outs convincingly. Clearances were pretty well square in the end. Grundy's improving his aerial around the ground, there's no doubt, but I think across the board Geelong did that in that part of the game did better than we did". |
There's been talk that Grundy has been carrying a groin injury. Is that correct?
| Quote: | | "Not that I know of". |
Should Pendlebury be right to play against St Kilda?
| Quote: | | "Yeah we think so". |
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2018-05-13/buckley-reflects-on-loss-to-cats
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PyreneesPie 
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I have great difficulty these days in working out what is a legal tackle and what's not.
However, why was a free kick not awarded after Phillips had his head slammed into the ground after kicking that goal today?
afl.com.au is saying it was friendly fire, but that's wrong. Quite clearly, his head was smacked hard straight into the ground as a result of the tackle. A foot from Mayne may have also collected his head, but that was after the initial damage had been done.
Nic Nat gets a week when his opponent curled over and drove his own head into the ground, all by himself. Yet, here is a player who thumps the head of his opponent on the ground and nothing happens. I don't get it. Anyone care to comment? |
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stui magpie 
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| LaurieHolden wrote: | They choked us out of our game plan. Poor conversion didn't allow us to apply any scoreboard pressure to break the game open.
Fought back well but Geelong could have put us out of commission early on in the 1st quarter with their own costly misses. We were completely outplayed in the clearances in the 1st qtr. Really missed Pendles presence and class. Might have been the difference today.
For those critical of our coaching and where was the plan B, it'd worthwhile watching the replay and listen to Hodgey's commentary. In essence he said stick to our game plan. He thought we were still right in it. Until the misses, we took it right up to them...
Geelong however don't give you many second chances. And they played to win and locked the game down to what was effectively an ugly contest. That's why the fans push back against that style of game. It's exciting in a close match in the last few minutes but it's a bloody horrible style of football.
Tough call, do you want 4 points or aesthetics?... It'd be great to have both.
Injury to Phillips shows how important he's been to the flow of our game and as one of our top 10 players.
I reckon Grundy has been going at 75% because of a niggle. Reckon he only just made it through the 3 games in 11 days. I reckon he'll be keen to get through to then bye round and rest a battle weary body.
Pleased with Crisp, just battled all day. He and Shaz are really starting to gel.
Mayne is improving. Gees he's been stitched up a few times this week and last being put under the pump by teammates from some horrible disposal. Played a sound game.
Apples looks the goods for one so young.
Pretty frustrating game to watch overall and far from the free flowing game of last week. That's what a strong opposition defensive game plan can do.
About where I thought we are, and today against quality opposition so not panicking, has been plenty to like over the past 6 weeks. Move on and get stuck into the Saints next week. |
like. Well said
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Dave The Man 
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| glasseyevfx wrote: | I'd probably be censured for what I'd like to say. The umpiring must have taken lessons from the Selwoods. The only good thing about it was they tightened up on the prior opportunity - much better.
Dead set I'd take a good hard look at yourself Mayne and Blair haters - Mayne was in our best 10 and I'd think Blair would have done better than Adams - He gets the ball, but fair dinkum if you called him creative you should be shot - he's hit and miss at best. Moore wasn't a loss today, the last two weeks would have been better spent on a rookie. We lost the game plan and I don't think it was the Pendals out that caused it. We were well beaten today - more than the score shows. I'm sure if we had of kicked an extra goal the boys would have been taken by the scruff of the neck and shown the door. aaaaaggggggh - should have seen it coming with how close Brisbane got.
We just dropped in my estimation of where we belong on the ladder and I don't know where the improvement will come from. |
Nicholls probably be the worst Scump in the AFL
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | I have great difficulty these days in working out what is a legal tackle and what's not.
However, why was a free kick not awarded after Phillips had his head slammed into the ground after kicking that goal today?
afl.com.au is saying it was friendly fire, but that's wrong. Quite clearly, his head was smacked hard straight into the ground as a result of the tackle. A foot from Mayne may have also collected his head, but that was after the initial damage had been done.
Nic Nat gets a week when his opponent curled over and drove his own head into the ground, all by himself. Yet, here is a player who thumps the head of his opponent on the ground and nothing happens. I don't get it. Anyone care to comment? |
See the Chris Mayne thread below. I thought it was the head slam but after K sent me some different-angled video, it’s clear that the tackle threw his head onto mayne’s knee. He looked out when he hit the ground, though the turfing obviously didn’t help.
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Magoos win again!!!!
And again Sier and McLarty were the keys to building early lead —Pies held on
to beat Cats
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swoop42 
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Still to be convinced Cox is a lock for our best 22 moving forward.
If he isn't marking them then he offers little else as a forward and struggles to kick for goal outside 40m.
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| This board is so embarrassing after a loss. |
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| Dave The Man wrote: | | glasseyevfx wrote: | I'd probably be censured for what I'd like to say. The umpiring must have taken lessons from the Selwoods. The only good thing about it was they tightened up on the prior opportunity - much better.
Dead set I'd take a good hard look at yourself Mayne and Blair haters - Mayne was in our best 10 and I'd think Blair would have done better than Adams - He gets the ball, but fair dinkum if you called him creative you should be shot - he's hit and miss at best. Moore wasn't a loss today, the last two weeks would have been better spent on a rookie. We lost the game plan and I don't think it was the Pendals out that caused it. We were well beaten today - more than the score shows. I'm sure if we had of kicked an extra goal the boys would have been taken by the scruff of the neck and shown the door. aaaaaggggggh - should have seen it coming with how close Brisbane got.
We just dropped in my estimation of where we belong on the ladder and I don't know where the improvement will come from. |
Nicholls probably be the worst Scump in the AFL |
Agree Dave ( # 15 ) bald head. Twice he called play on when the other umpire had awarded us a free kick. Even Luke Hodge commentating reckons we were on the wrong end when I watched the replay back. |
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| stui magpie wrote: | | LaurieHolden wrote: | They choked us out of our game plan. Poor conversion didn't allow us to apply any scoreboard pressure to break the game open.
Fought back well but Geelong could have put us out of commission early on in the 1st quarter with their own costly misses. We were completely outplayed in the clearances in the 1st qtr. Really missed Pendles presence and class. Might have been the difference today.
For those critical of our coaching and where was the plan B, it'd worthwhile watching the replay and listen to Hodgey's commentary. In essence he said stick to our game plan. He thought we were still right in it. Until the misses, we took it right up to them...
Geelong however don't give you many second chances. And they played to win and locked the game down to what was effectively an ugly contest. That's why the fans push back against that style of game. It's exciting in a close match in the last few minutes but it's a bloody horrible style of football.
Tough call, do you want 4 points or aesthetics?... It'd be great to have both.
Injury to Phillips shows how important he's been to the flow of our game and as one of our top 10 players.
I reckon Grundy has been going at 75% because of a niggle. Reckon he only just made it through the 3 games in 11 days. I reckon he'll be keen to get through to then bye round and rest a battle weary body.
Pleased with Crisp, just battled all day. He and Shaz are really starting to gel.
Mayne is improving. Gees he's been stitched up a few times this week and last being put under the pump by teammates from some horrible disposal. Played a sound game.
Apples looks the goods for one so young.
Pretty frustrating game to watch overall and far from the free flowing game of last week. That's what a strong opposition defensive game plan can do.
About where I thought we are, and today against quality opposition so not panicking, has been plenty to like over the past 6 weeks. Move on and get stuck into the Saints next week. |
like. Well said |
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Jezza
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Disappointing result, but at least we didn't get blown away. Much of that can be attributed to our solid defensive structures which held up well today unlike last week where we leaked far too many goals. I suspect the coaches will be pleased with this aspect of the game.
We struggled in the first quarter, and essentially lost the game in the first half when Geelong kicked late goals in the second quarter. The second half was even for the most part, but it was not an aesthetically pleasing game for either side.
Two noticeable things from today were the more than usual turnovers we committed, and the lack of numbers around the ball in many contests which can be attributed to not working hard enough compared to Geelong. I don't know whether that was due to fatigue or something else, but we looked flat.
The lack of tall forward targets due to injuries is really hurting us now, and this was amplified today with Geelong's defenders mopping up our entries with relative ease.
The amount of wasteful shots on goal was very disappointing, but for the most part we've improved our goal kicking this year so I'd write it off as a bad day more than anything else. I know it's been a problem in previous years, but before today we were 96.68 for goal which is a percentage rate of 58.54%.
Interestingly, in all our wins this year, we've scored over 100 points in all on our wins so this really demonstrates that applying scoreboard pressure is crucial if we are to win enough games to be a finals team this year.
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| swoop42 wrote: | Still to be convinced Cox is a lock for our best 22 moving forward.
If he isn't marking them then he offers little else as a forward and struggles to kick for goal outside 40m. |
unfortunately I agree, the tall timber is a little tooo easy to sway.
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| leonmagic wrote: | | This board is so embarrassing after a loss. |
I don’t think so this year. there is a couple of people with their usual nasty this team is ****** rants, ignore the fools, they are being called out.
but there is also a lot of truths and quality discussions here, and this year without the constant sack, blame, useless, fill the gap comments. Expectations, passion, disappointments they are all connected. I’m not interested in reading a flat dialogue of mathematical probabilities.
Have a read back, this year we seem to have be able to let go of the slanging matches between posters, the name calling.
When you lose the thread is always going to be more uncomfortable to read than a win thread. Truth is often uncomfortable. The truth is we got a wake up call last week we dont seem to have heeded, and went into this game with some poor”fill the gaps” which we are discussing. It’s clear we could have, should have won that game. But when they came in to prevent the bullet hand passes, we had no back up plan. Also seems pretty clear there were some bad selection choices, which of course everyone has their own opinion on.
What’s embarrassing about that?
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| Jezza wrote: | Disappointing result, but at least we didn't get blown away. Much of that can be attributed to our solid defensive structures which held up well today unlike last week where we leaked far too many goals. I suspect the coaches will be pleased with this aspect of the game.
We struggled in the first quarter, and essentially lost the game in the first half when Geelong kicked late goals in the second quarter. The second half was even for the most part, but it was not an aesthetically pleasing game for either side.
Two noticeable things from today were the more than usual turnovers we committed, and the lack of numbers around the ball in many contests which can be attributed to not working hard enough compared to Geelong. I don't know whether that was due to fatigue or something else, but we looked flat.
The lack of tall forward targets due to injuries is really hurting us now, and this was amplified today with Geelong's defenders mopping up our entries with relative ease.
The amount of wasteful shots on goal was very disappointing, but for the most part we've improved our goal kicking this year so I'd write it off as a bad day more than anything else. I know it's been a problem in previous years, but before today we were 96.68 for goal which is a percentage rate of 58.54%.
Interestingly, in all our wins this year, we've scored over 100 points in all on our wins so this really demonstrates that applying scoreboard pressure is crucial if we are to win enough games to be a finals team this year. |
Very well said Jezza, and thanks for the coaches words above, as always, much appreciated. Cheers, I’ll see you in a month! Look out for junior, She will be there!
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| swoop42 wrote: | | Still to be convinced Cox is a lock for our best 22 moving forward.. |
I’m convinced that Cox isn’t the answer. He is a VFL quality player and at his age, I can’t see him doing anything more than he already is.
McLarty needs to be given an opportunity soon. There is more potential/future with him than with Cox.
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