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inxs88 



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:31 am
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At pick 58 in the 2015 AFL National Draft Tom Phillips DOESN’T possess:

* a great left foot
* has virtually no right side
* isn’t overly quick
* can’t lay a tackle
* held out for a better contract before re-signing
* is a tad annoying (cue: sleeping celebration after goal last week)

However the lad CAN PLAY! Like the Duracell bunny rabbit and Forrest Gump he just keeps going, going and going!

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 10:43 am
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Heading into 2018 it was clear for Collingwood to improve, the development of our 2nd, 3rd and 4th tier players was the key.

We all know what Pendlebury, Treloar, Sidebottom, Howe etc will bring week in week out but its the likes of Sier, McLarty, De Goey, Aish and Phillips that need to grab the question mark of 'what if' or of 'in 2 years time' and produce something tangible NOW.

Despite the groundhog stories of an Elliott ankle, a Moore hamstring and a Wells calf, the story of improvement from a number of the guys mentioned above has been what's separated this season apart from the previous 5.

We're not asking Phillips to be Steele Sidebottom on his left and right, but if he can weed out his right foot issue he will become a 30% better player. Despite this, he has been very good so far.

We all know the story of De Goey. He's clearly got the foundation to be a top 5 competition player - its time to establish that over the next 12 months.

Even more pleasing is the development in the VFL. Sier is banging on the door while McLarty, Brown x2, Daicos and Murphy have all done something to suggest they could become a 200+ game player for the club.

Fingers crossed the trend continues that way. Onwards and upwards.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:53 am
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ad4eva wrote:

Even more pleasing is the development in the VFL. Sier is banging on the door while McLarty, Brown x2, Daicos and Murphy have all done something to suggest they could become a 200+ game player for the club.

Fingers crossed the trend continues that way. Onwards and upwards.


Yeah this, especially the VFL, feels a bit Geelong 2006. We’ve got the talent, the reserves have a nucleus of young players that could serve the club for the next 10 years and are playing some great footy, senior side is finally showing a bit. Their seniors finished ~10th and ressies 3rd. Both won the flag the next year and we know what their seniors did.

I’m quietly optimistic about the future.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:40 pm
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I think we are getting to the point where we need to acknowledge that his left foot is no longer that bad either.
His kicking on his preferred left foot has improved nicely ( off a low base ) since he first came into the game. As you get used to the tempo, you back yourself more and wait to be balanced before you kick the ball. His ball use over the last couple weeks in particular, has been as good as anyone in the team.
At 22 and around 30 games under his belt, he should only improve.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:49 pm
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Agree his left foot within about 35m is low and hard. As soon as he tries to kick a bit longer and higher it seems to float a bit and lacks penetration.
Perversely it is a good thing because he is often kicking into forward 50 and he is more inclined to lower his eyes than someone who can bomb it..

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:51 pm
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In Nathan Buckley's book he says he couldn't get a game in a couple of his junior years because he was too small and hadn't grown into his body.
In Chris Judd's book he says he came up against this guy in his junior years who was just as good if not better than him. Chris gets drafted no.1 and the other guy doesn't even get drafted.

It basically comes down to the application and the desire of the footballer to achieve. Defects in the technical aspects of a junior footballer's game can be corrected by hard work at the junior level by the coaches there, so Tom Phillips had enough grounding to fix his game at the junior level, then when he wasn't drafted he spent an extra year in TAC further working on his game, then the next couple of years after that as a Collingwood player further working on his game. So his first year as a Collingwood player you think the poor guy can't kick and we've wasted a draft pick. You also notice he's not fast so that's another reason to wonder why we bothered to draft him. His second and third year you notice his kicking has improved and he makes up for his lack of short burst speed by being to outrun opposition players.

This is a case of the recruiters at Collingwood identifying the potential of the draftees available to pick and making the right choices. I notice James Stewart still makes bad decisions as a player at Essendon and his kicking is off at times, so maybe the Collingwood recruiters made the right decision not to draft him after all.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 3:21 pm
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what I like are his strengths. I think speed is relative to workrate and how often / far you can run at high intensity. No point being the quickest bloke on the ground if you cant find the footy or only have 2-4 repeat sprints in you.
The afl stats tracker can provide some great insights now into workrate and impact across all areas of the game. Tom appears in the top 5 of each group of stats every week.
From the weekends game :

Distance covered
1. Tom Philips - 16.8k
2. Flynn A - 16.6k
3. Ed Phillips - 16.3k

K's at high speed
1. High speed - Tom Philips 4.1k
2. Ed Philips - 3.5k

Highest average speed - best pies
3. Sidey 9.5k,
4. Phillips 9.4k

Interestingly Stephenson 35 and WHE 40 lead total sprint for the game and both lead repeat sprints at 9. Great effort for a first year player.

Workrate
Average speed in attack
1. WHE 9.5,
2. Tom Phillips 9.4

Average speed in defence
4.Tom Philips best pies player at 9.5

Tom is the only player to appear in top 5 for workrate in defence and attack.

Tom went at 87% eff on the weekend and averages 75% for the year.

He is just average for meters gained but he is starting to rack up possession largely I think due to his workrate. Other than laying a few more tackles Id say at the moment he would be elite in the comp for most of the stats that measure workrate.

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Pies2016 



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 3:46 pm
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This post is nearly as impressive as Toms ever improving resume.
Nice work MJ23
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:01 pm
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inxs88 wrote:
At pick 58 in the 2015 AFL National Draft Tom Phillips DOESN’T possess:

* a great left foot
* has virtually no right side
* isn’t overly quick
* can’t lay a tackle
* held out for a better contract before re-signing
* is a tad annoying (cue: sleeping celebration after goal last week)

However the lad CAN PLAY! Like the Duracell bunny rabbit and Forrest Gump he just keeps going, going and going!


You’re joking right? He wins the 2km time trial every preseason- so yes he is quick duh

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RudeBoy 



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:08 pm
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He's not overly fast over the first 10-20 metres, which is what 'fast players' are. He is an endurance runner, who can run all day.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:27 pm
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Correct. he's not explosive off the mark but can wind up to some good speed

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:56 pm
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RudeBoy wrote:
He's not overly fast over the first 10-20 metres, which is what 'fast players' are. He is an endurance runner, who can run all day.


There was a guy back in 2003 who Malthouse saw and said "He is short and stocky, not very fast, runs ugly BUT he knows where to go on the football field and he just keeps getting the ball" or words to that effect.

Happy to have another Dane Swan type on the list. NOt sure he is as tough as swanny, but who cares? He gets it and can run all day.

Was it last summer or the summer before he and his dad (& possibly his brother??) went on a "Running Holiday(WTF?)" accross INDIA!! Natural born runner.
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inxs88 



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 12:12 am
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Hopefully in another 50 games his improvement is linear
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 12:13 am
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What is in another 50 games his improvement is linear like in there?
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 1:28 am
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with reduce substitutions and the demands of the modern game, aussie rules football is becoming more and more a sport for endurance athletes. There are a lot of players (including Issac Smith for example, and definitely Sidey and Phillips), who just get to so many more balls than everyone else because of their elite endurance. Some guys don't even need to be good footballers to rack up the stats and help their team by linking defense to attack by out running their opponent.

Tom just seems to pop up everywhere.

Having said all this, if you have been paying close attention, the other thing Tom does (like Sidey) is has elite finishing skills when kicking for goal in chaos situations. He knows where the goals are, can get it on his boot pretty quickly.

We were all salivating over DeGoey this weekend, but his best play of the day was probably the handball to Tom who had run front and centre of DeGoey's pack. Off one step, the boy snapped truly. He is really good at snapping truly. Before you write this off as not that important, you should look at how regularly he does it and note that the difference between a goal and a point is 5 points.

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