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Skids Cancer

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:26 am
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The Swedish have had enough....

Anti-migrant feeling fuels Swedish far right as election looms


Popular concern looks likely to propel Sweden Democrats to a possible 20% of the vote

The economy is doing fine: unemployment is at its lowest for a decade and growth should be about 3% this year. But support for the Sweden Democrats’ policies, which include a total freeze on asylum seekers, accepting future refugees only from Nordic countries, tougher penalties for crime and greater powers for police, has surged.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/02/sweden-democrats-far-right-anti-migrant

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:32 pm
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How many refugees from Nordic countries are they expecting? Extreme cold, lack of strong sunlight and complete boredom are not grounds for refugee status.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:16 pm
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/09/10/election-in-sweden-once-again-undercuts-populist-myth-of-the-racial-apocalypse/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e521ccbaf9d2

In the strange world of the online alt-right, Sweden has long played a special role. This isn’t because of its economic strength (small but robust), or because of its population (just less than 10 million). This is because — how shall I put this delicately? — Swedes are blond.

Never mind that many aren’t: In the dismal fever swamps of the Internet, Swedes now symbolize Blondness and Whiteness for a whole host of people — American, European, Russian — who use that symbolism to tell a particular story: Blondness Under Siege. Whiteness Under Siege. Alt-right headlines such as “How Sweden is Committing Suicide Through Political Correctness” draw long chains of vicious and vulgar commentary.

In particular, the bloggers and trolls object to Sweden’s 2015 decision — in reaction to the worst refugee crisis in post-World War II history — to let in 160,000 people. Numbers have dropped sharply since then, but to the alt-right, that decision was not a tale of generosity, but the ultimate story of Whiteness Under Siege. President Trump himself picked up this line of argument from a convoluted — and, as it emerged, manipulated — segment on Fox News, right at the beginning of his administration. Inspired by some dramatic misreporting, in February 2017, he ranted to a Florida rally, “You look at what’s happening last night, in Sweden! Sweden! Who would believe this, Sweden?”

In fact, nothing had happened in Sweden. But the online far-right’s constant, insistent, and even hysterical focus on immigration — including exaggerated reports of rape — had a genuine impact: It successfully helped refocus Swedish politics, as well as the outside world’s perceptions of Swedish politics, around this single issue. From British tabloids to the New York Times (“How the far right conquered Sweden”), the only story anyone tells is the rise of the far-right, explicitly anti-immigration Sweden Democrats, projected by some to emerge as the largest party in parliamentary elections on Sunday. “It’s going to be huge,” Alex Jones of Infowars ranted last week. As exit polls were published on Sunday night, Breitbart News trumpeted, prematurely, that the party had “surged” while the “establishment” faltered.

But when the real results came in on Monday morning, the story became more complicated, less dramatic, and more difficult to summarize. The Sweden Democrats did do better than before, but not as well as expected. They were the third-largest party, not the largest. More to the point, the vast majority of Swedes, even during a year completely dominated by the immigration debate, voted against them. A far-left, pro-immigration party also made gains; both the main center-left and the center-right parties lost seats. As in Germany and in the Netherlands, the real story is not so much “far-right gains” as political fragmentation. Drawn-out negotiations may now be needed to form a Swedish government — negotiations that will be of no interest to most outsiders, especially not those primarily worried about Whiteness Under Siege.

As it turned out, not all Swedes voted on the refugee issue; they also cared about their economy and their school system and, after a summer of record high temperatures and terrible wildfires, the environment and climate change. As it turned out, there were more forces at work in Swedish politics than the narrative of racial apocalypse allowed. There’s a lesson here for the rest of the media, both Swedish and foreign, which did the alt-right a favor by endlessly sharing their focus on refugees. The real story was far more complex — just as it’s always been.


http://theconversation.com/sweden-election-yes-the-far-right-made-gains-but-were-not-falling-apart-102920

The preliminary results suggest the Sweden Democrats have fallen short of expectation and that voters have not been as receptive to their anti-immigration rhetoric as it may have seemed. Polls put the party as high as 24% before the election but they collected less than that, 17.6%.

All the smaller parties, except the Greens, improved on their 2014 results at the expense of the two larger parties. The Centre Party, meanwhile, has achieved its best result in 30 years, increasing its share of the vote from 6.1% in the last election in 2014 to 8.6%. The Centre Party had a strong social media campaign, a prominent leader (Annie Lööf) and an agenda with a pro-tolerance, anti-SD message and strong on the environment. The Left Party was happy to take 7.9% of the vote, a 2.2% increase on previous form.

The two large parties have lost votes in a further fragmentation of the party system. The Conservatives were the biggest losers, down 3.5% compared to 2014. Even if they remain the second largest party in the country they appear to have been punished for their embracing a stricter policy on migration and integration in line with that of the Sweden Democrats.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:19 pm
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Interesting, P4S – thanks for posting this. Seems a similar situation to the last French election, where a lot of people were predicting a Le Pen government or at least a close contest, neither of which eventuated. It's the mirror image of Trump and Brexit: ultimately, maybe we just aren't that good at predicting things.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:35 pm
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It certainly seems that the Swedish centre is fragmenting but it looks to be fragmenting both to the left and the right. The collective increase in the left vote looks to have been around 6%, bigger (it seems) than the increase in the anti-immigration vote.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:53 pm
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Pies4shaw wrote:
It certainly seems that the Swedish centre is fragmenting but it looks to be fragmenting both to the left and the right. The collective increase in the left vote looks to have been around 6%, bigger (it seems) than the increase in the anti-immigration vote.


Ah, the good old days of the 1930s are coming around again. What could possibly go wrong?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:15 pm
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^ That's the impression one gets, and it's certainly a worrying one. If liberalism is in decline, what comes after?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:43 pm
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Presumably, a political realignment in which the centrist parties recognize that they need to do more - and do do more - economically to assist disadvantaged white supremacists, so that they don't actually start getting swastikas tattooed on their eyeballs.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:44 pm
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What is it?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:28 pm
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Pies4shaw wrote:
Presumably, a political realignment in which the centrist parties recognize that they need to do more - and do do more - economically to assist disadvantaged white supremacists, so that they don't actually start getting swastikas tattooed on their eyeballs.


As a tall blonde with 17% Scandinavian ancestry I take offence at these comments.

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In reality, the anti immigration swing in europe has been caused by the recent mass immigration and the resulting impact.

Most people are happy to help someone else out, as long as it doesn't adversely impact on themselves. So they let lots of refugees in, thinking they'd be grateful and settle in. Easy peasy, conscience salved, sleep well tonight secure in having done good deeds for the disadvantaged poor.

However, when many of them not only don't seem grateful but act in ways that disrupt their lives and harmony, they react.

If you invite someone into your home, you expect them to behave according to your rules and expectations. If that person turns out to be lazy, untidy, manipulative and obnoxious (reasonable description of several of my son's ex GF's) then you change tacks and get harder on things. Very few of us would just go "Oh Well" and let them trash your house.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:31 pm
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Interesting reading on the history of the USA.

After WWI a large number of African Americans "migrated" north from the southern states and the northerners who were happy to fight in the civil war to free the slaves, didn't want the black people living next to them. Race riots ensued in the early 20's, lynch gangs, the Africans were actively discriminated against in employment and housing opportunities and the ghetto's were born.

Potentially a number of lessons in that, which could be very different depending how you slice it.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:32 pm
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I thought so too.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:01 pm
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consider yourself deported, tin tights
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