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swoop42 
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Honestly if people can't see a clear distinction between groups on the far left like Antifa to those on the far right I'll give you a hint.
The ones on the right are better known as Nazi's, Klu Klux Klan and White Supremacists.
If forced to choose I know which side I'm on.
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HAL
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| How do you assume this statement holds true for me? Aren't you usually honest? |
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Mugwump
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^^ If history is any guide, Antifa, Nazis, the KKK, crypto-stalinists and white supremacists would all happily jail and kill their opponents. These people are actually on the same side, against the open society and law.
We get nowhere choosing sides among the hate-mongers and absolutists.
Only those who accept, respect and actively seek to defend the open society and freedom of speech within long-established constitutional principles are worthy of support.
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David 
I dare you to try
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| Pi wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Extremists and nutjobs on all sides are abusive. It’s what they do. My point is only that the average essentially decent person on the left is apt to be censorious if not incredulous at dissent, whereas those on the soft right seem less so. It might be my position on that spectrum, but I do not think so. |
here's an example:
in the American context this guy would be on the left
senator Chris Murphy
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/8/chris-murphy-democratic-senator-classic-case-whats/ |
By Republicans, sure. I’m not sure anyone else thinks that these Democrats are left-wing.
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Pi 
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^ sure but American context is important here and Senator Murphy just put a kick me sign on himself.
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Skids 
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| swoop42 wrote: | Honestly if people can't see a clear distinction between groups on the far left like Antifa to those on the far right I'll give you a hint.
The ones on the right are better known as Nazi's, Klu Klux Klan and White Supremacists.
If forced to choose I know which side I'm on. |
This bit always gets me... can anybody, seriously, consider anybody in todays world to the Nazis???? Come on, you are deluded!
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Wokko 
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The KKK is pretty much non existent too, the Democrats went from lynching the blacks to destroying their neighbourhoods and families with drugs and welfare policies.
Not sure there's too many Nazis left either, not sure why 100 year old Germans are so hated and feared.
As for white supremacists, if you look really hard you might be able to rustle up 100 in Australia, a few thousand in the USA. If you don't even know what terms mean then maybe you shouldn't be throwing them around. |
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Wokko
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| Mugwump wrote: | ^^ If history is any guide, Antifa, Nazis, the KKK, crypto-stalinists and white supremacists would all happily jail and kill their opponents. These people are actually on the same side, against the open society and law.
We get nowhere choosing sides among the hate-mongers and absolutists.
Only those who accept, respect and actively seek to defend the open society and freedom of speech within long-established constitutional principles are worthy of support. |
The (real) Nazis gained a lot of support because of the Communist ancestors of Antifa and their street violence in Berlin. If we allow these degenerate scumbags to take root then eventually there's going to be pushback from the far right. Deal with the left wing toads now or deal with street wars later. |
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David
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The degenerate scumbags (to use your phrase) of the right are already organising and gaining ground throughout the West. Start with Charlottesville and keep looking; locally, I don’t know if Blair Cottrell et al are technically Nazis, but there’s no question they’re fascists.
I don’t agree with Antifa tactics and I do kind of suspect that they’re helping radicalise the right, but let’s not pretend they created this.
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pietillidie
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| Wokko wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | ^^ If history is any guide, Antifa, Nazis, the KKK, crypto-stalinists and white supremacists would all happily jail and kill their opponents. These people are actually on the same side, against the open society and law.
We get nowhere choosing sides among the hate-mongers and absolutists.
Only those who accept, respect and actively seek to defend the open society and freedom of speech within long-established constitutional principles are worthy of support. |
The (real) Nazis gained a lot of support because of the Communist ancestors of Antifa and their street violence in Berlin. If we allow these degenerate scumbags to take root then eventually there's going to be pushback from the far right. Deal with the left wing toads now or deal with street wars later. |
Wokko, do you really take this stuff seriously? The language could come from an extremist religion. It would make for a good lost scene from The Warriors.
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Pies4shaw 
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| Read his posts. We know Wokko isn’t a fascist, because Mugwump says so - but Wokko certainly professes a bundle of views that, taken together, have been well outside the margins of acceptable political discourse since at least 1945. His posts read like a paid commercial program for every right wing nutter view that is available on the internet. And, however it comes about - I’m certainly not going to be drawing any conclusions - he does seem (purely by coincidence, I suppose) to defend a lot of actual fascists on here from time to time. |
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Wokko
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Read his posts. We know Wokko isn’t a fascist, because Mugwump says so - but Wokko certainly professes a bundle of views that, taken together, have been well outside the margins of acceptable political discourse since at least 1945. His posts read like a paid commercial program for every right wing nutter view that is available on the internet. And, however it comes about - I’m certainly not going to be drawing any conclusions - he does seem (purely by coincidence, I suppose) to defend a lot of actual fascists on here from time to time. |
You wouldn't know fascism if it stomped your head in. |
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Pies4shaw
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| Wokko wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Read his posts. We know Wokko isn’t a fascist, because Mugwump says so - but Wokko certainly professes a bundle of views that, taken together, have been well outside the margins of acceptable political discourse since at least 1945. His posts read like a paid commercial program for every right wing nutter view that is available on the internet. And, however it comes about - I’m certainly not going to be drawing any conclusions - he does seem (purely by coincidence, I suppose) to defend a lot of actual fascists on here from time to time. |
You wouldn't know fascism if it stomped your head in. |
That’s what passes for argument where you hail from, is it? |
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Wokko
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Read his posts. We know Wokko isn’t a fascist, because Mugwump says so - but Wokko certainly professes a bundle of views that, taken together, have been well outside the margins of acceptable political discourse since at least 1945. His posts read like a paid commercial program for every right wing nutter view that is available on the internet. And, however it comes about - I’m certainly not going to be drawing any conclusions - he does seem (purely by coincidence, I suppose) to defend a lot of actual fascists on here from time to time. |
You wouldn't know fascism if it stomped your head in. |
That’s what passes for argument where you hail from, is it? |
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. |
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Pies4shaw
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| Wokko wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | Read his posts. We know Wokko isn’t a fascist, because Mugwump says so - but Wokko certainly professes a bundle of views that, taken together, have been well outside the margins of acceptable political discourse since at least 1945. His posts read like a paid commercial program for every right wing nutter view that is available on the internet. And, however it comes about - I’m certainly not going to be drawing any conclusions - he does seem (purely by coincidence, I suppose) to defend a lot of actual fascists on here from time to time. |
You wouldn't know fascism if it stomped your head in. |
That’s what passes for argument where you hail from, is it? |
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. |
So, after the violent image in your previous post, you’d now like to pretend to be the Weasel Voice or Reason? Lovely stuff. |
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