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Dark Beanie 
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burnsy17 
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Interesting a few recent posts have been removed from this thread....
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Pies2016
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| Surely this thread should be about our collective concern for his wellbeing, not ill informed judgement calls on the decision that was made ( which may have been by either club or player ) |
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Mugwump
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| Raw Hammer wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Poor kid. May She RIP |
Ballsy call if it was. As a second or third-string employee, telling your employer you won’t be there for a major presentation at a critical moment because an aunt had died .... well, I know there may be special circumstances which made him especially close to her, but prima facie, it might put him a notch down the selection order against those who seem more “whatever it takes....” |
If true, that’s simply disgusting and simply a reflection of shit people. |
Does the real world as it is actually lived upset you often ? It is what it is.
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Mugwump
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | Surely this thread should be about our collective concern for his wellbeing, not ill informed judgement calls on the decision that was made ( which may have been by either club or player ) |
Not really. The thread is about the issue. For what it’s worth I thought Buckley seemed a little bemused when he stated that
Sam had rung up the day before to say he would not be playing. It would not be surprising if he was a little frustrated given the already very depleted state of the backline.
I am sure the young man had good reasons for his decision. But equally, I just doubt it’ll help his prospects of getting a berth in future, all things being equal.
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| Mugwump wrote: | | Raw Hammer wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Poor kid. May She RIP |
Ballsy call if it was. As a second or third-string employee, telling your employer you won’t be there for a major presentation at a critical moment because an aunt had died .... well, I know there may be special circumstances which made him especially close to her, but prima facie, it might put him a notch down the selection order against those who seem more “whatever it takes....” |
If true, that’s simply disgusting and simply a reflection of shit people. |
Does the real world as it is actually lived upset you often ? It is what it is. |
The attitude described in your original post really is abhorrent, 'real world' or not. I would hope that such behaviour continues to upset fair-minded people and that those in the real world who exhibit such a pathetic attitude end up under a fast moving karma bus. |
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Mugwump
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^ in truth, when you manage people it’s the context that counts - your whole experience of them, their talent, attitude and ability to cope with adversity. Since few lead lives without significant personal adversity, those who fight through personal difficulties are often those who make it to the top. It isn’t a judgement about the worth of the individual, but it is about the ability of the person to impact the world. If that opinion upsets you terribly, then so be it. I still thought Buckley looked a bit tense about it.
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stui magpie
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| Mugwump wrote: | | ^ in truth, when you manage people it’s the context that counts - your whole experience of them, their talent, attitude and ability to cope with adversity. Since few lead lives without significant personal adversity, those who fight through personal difficulties are often those who make it to the top. It isn’t a judgement about the worth of the individual, but it is about the ability of the person to impact the world. If that opinion upsets you terribly, then so be it. I still thought Buckley looked a bit tense about it. |
It's an interesting question.
In my past life as a manager, before I was an unemployed bum, I was probably soft on people who I thought added something.
Case in point, there was 1 woman who irritated me because she had tissue paper for skin. The slightest harshness, she would bust into tears. I had to calm her down multiple times because someone abused her over the phone. I couldn't get my head around how someone had got to near 60, raised kids and held down a job, but hadn't grown up..
A month ago I got a call from someone I used to work with. We had a long conversation during which she outlined a number of things that had become worse since I left. The example that stuck with me, was about that woman. She took a day off work because of her adult daughter and pregnancy issues. The new me called her into a meeting and apparently read her the riot act. That's as the 2 up manager, not direct manager.
It would have annoyed me, but I would have let it slide. She is/was a heart and soul of the team person, someone who you want to manage a dignified exit for over a period of time. Belting into her sets an example, but not one I would have wanted to set.
Whatever Murray's reasons where, and we don't need to know them, I trust that Bucks and the club will manage it appropriately
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Mugwump
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Yeah, good post stui - mercifully free of hyperventilation. I don’t think there is any chance Murray would or should have got “a belting” as you put it. But it always leaves a question mark when it is someone who hasn’t really much of a track record, and you’re four key blokes down in the back line already with a critical game days away. And of course it opens the door to competitors for the spot. A way of looking at it is that it clearly meant a lot to Sam Murray to make such a powerful call.
I too expect Bucks will handle it appropriately. And what is appropriate will depend on context which only he and a few insiders will know.
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think positive 
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| Redlight wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Raw Hammer wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Poor kid. May She RIP |
Ballsy call if it was. As a second or third-string employee, telling your employer you won’t be there for a major presentation at a critical moment because an aunt had died .... well, I know there may be special circumstances which made him especially close to her, but prima facie, it might put him a notch down the selection order against those who seem more “whatever it takes....” |
If true, that’s simply disgusting and simply a reflection of shit people. |
Does the real world as it is actually lived upset you often ? It is what it is. |
The attitude described in your original post really is abhorrent, 'real world' or not. I would hope that such behaviour continues to upset fair-minded people and that those in the real world who exhibit such a pathetic attitude end up under a fast moving karma bus. |
wow. i missed all this, and apparently some deleted posts.
Mugwump, your better than that.
Many factors we dont know and dont need to know. Everyone handles grief their own way. You dont get to judge that. I for one believe family, and looking after family, is more important than a pay packet. My family has lost a 59 year old uncle to cancer, a 54 year old uncle to a motorbike accident, and my mother in law to cancer in the last 18 months. Can you get your head around that? can you even imagine it? You don't know the circumstances, you dont get to judge.
I for one applaud this fine young man for putting his hand up and saying, "I cant do this". Would you rather he show up and fall apart on the field? Whether for his own well being or that of his aunts sibling, his parent, good on him. Thats courage and honesty right there.
Football after all, is a game, a passion, a mateship, a TEAM.
Well done once again to our coach for his classy reply to the question.
And you can bet your arse that when Murray returns, our team, the one that has bonded and banded together this year so amazingly well, will get around him. How about we do that too?
cheers
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Mugwump
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TP, better than what ? I did not express anything other than a realistic appraisal of the possible fallout.
If you read what I actually wrote there is nothing disrespectful to Sam, I would simply be very surprised if an eyebrow was not raised at this by the coaching panel. To think otherwise seems to me rather idealistic. How long the eyebrow stayed raised will depend on other data points. What judgement I would have made on this case I do not know as I do not have the relevant data. What I do know is that he now has to win his place back from Murphy
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The. I’d be as disappointed in the club as I am in you
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Pebbles Rocks
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“Realistic appraisal of the possible fallout”
You sound like bank manager at the royal commission.
How we grieve over the loss of someone we love is different for everyone. Also the support we feel we can give can be very different.
If our coaching staff were utterly insensitive then I would expect some fallout but I strongly suspect they get it and your speculation is not realistic at all.
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Tannin 
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Mugwump, you have covered yourself in dog poo. While we have often disagreed, I have always had a great deal of respect for your views. Not after reading this.
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Mugwump
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| think positive wrote: | | The. I’d be as disappointed in the club as I am in you |
We’ll both live. Ditto Tannin.
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