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Jezza 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Despite labels, I probably sit in between you and David. I agree with you on some things and him on others. Abbott had to go and I was glad to see Turnbull get a chance, but Abbott and his cronies never let him lead. |
We'll have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one.
You're definitely right about sitting in-between us on the political spectrum.
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stui magpie 
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and 3 of the ones in the 70's were LNP, in fact 5 different LNP Prime minsters in the 6 years 66-72.
Menzies, Holt, McEwan, Gorton, McMahon.
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| stui magpie wrote: | | David wrote: | What bothers me the most is that no-one, in either of the major parties, has any long-term vision for the country. It's all about retaining power.
I would have never voted for him, but it would have been a refreshing change to have a moderate, efficient, innovative, economically sound Liberal government in power that didn't, say, run concentration camps on Pacific islands – they would have been capitalist pricks and been screwed up in any number of other ways, and I would have been fundamentally philosophically opposed to them, but they would have been something. Could Turnbull have been that prime minister? I don't know, but it seems like the conditions are pretty difficult for any politician planning beyond the 24-hour news cycle and the next focus group. This country's just stuck in purgatory at the moment, and whoever's in power, it's going to just be more treading water and more backroom intrigues. |
My take is that the current system doesn't allow for anyone with any vision, it's all about being populist. Even if you had a leader with vision, the rank and file MP just wants to get re-elected and any vision that jeopardises that is hard to sell.
I personally think being fundamentally philosophically opposed to either party is silly as there's far call difference between them anymore, despite historical roots. I vote for whichever party and leadership I think will do the best job in the current circumstances. With a choice between Dutton and Shorten, I may not vote. |
Nothing wrong with chucking your vote to a third party (like the Sex Party or some other minor group that you can stomach). I think that sends a stronger message of no-confidence than abstaining.
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| I disagree. Voting just encourages them. |
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | David wrote: | What bothers me the most is that no-one, in either of the major parties, has any long-term vision for the country. It's all about retaining power.
I would have never voted for him, but it would have been a refreshing change to have a moderate, efficient, innovative, economically sound Liberal government in power that didn't, say, run concentration camps on Pacific islands – they would have been capitalist pricks and been screwed up in any number of other ways, and I would have been fundamentally philosophically opposed to them, but they would have been something. Could Turnbull have been that prime minister? I don't know, but it seems like the conditions are pretty difficult for any politician planning beyond the 24-hour news cycle and the next focus group. This country's just stuck in purgatory at the moment, and whoever's in power, it's going to just be more treading water and more backroom intrigues. |
My take is that the current system doesn't allow for anyone with any vision, it's all about being populist. Even if you had a leader with vision, the rank and file MP just wants to get re-elected and any vision that jeopardises that is hard to sell.
I personally think being fundamentally philosophically opposed to either party is silly as there's far call difference between them anymore, despite historical roots. I vote for whichever party and leadership I think will do the best job in the current circumstances. With a choice between Dutton and Shorten, I may not vote. |
Nothing wrong with chucking your vote to a third party (like the Sex Party or some other minor group that you can stomach). I think that sends a stronger message of no-confidence than abstaining. |
Maybe. The problem is, it ends up with someone I don't want to vote for after preferences.
If the number of informal votes goes right up, that sends a message too.
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swoop42 
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| David wrote: | I know Australian politics is unstable, but I did not see this coming at all. Who on earth in the Liberal Party would be deluded enough to think that Dutton is electable? Or am I the one who's deluded and people can't get enough of jackboots?
What's clear is that the party doesn't like Turnbull. |
You know you're truly scrapping the bottom of the barrel if Dutton is considered your best alternate candidate.
Zero charisma and a turd.
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As a whole, we get the politicians we deserve. If society wasn't so greedy/stupid/short-sighted we might have a chance of getting politicians who can think about the future. As it is we are left we arseholes bribing idiots.
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| swoop42 wrote: | | David wrote: | I know Australian politics is unstable, but I did not see this coming at all. Who on earth in the Liberal Party would be deluded enough to think that Dutton is electable? Or am I the one who's deluded and people can't get enough of jackboots?
What's clear is that the party doesn't like Turnbull. |
You know you're truly scrapping the bottom of the barrel if Dutton is considered your best alternate candidate.
Zero charisma and a turd. |
Peter Dutton is true blue I fully support Peter
Dutton 4 PM |
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David
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Woods, I think you must have an autocorrect problem there – “pure evil” seems to have been changed to something else. 
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stui magpie
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I may not be a fan, but pure evil is a massive overstatement, particularly from someone who says they don't believe in the notion of evil.
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David
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I’m being somewhat facetious; I don’t really believe that Dutton is evil, pure or otherwise. But he’s definitely a “wrong ‘un”, as they say. Something has to have gone awry with the wiring along the way – whatever it is that affects capacity to feel empathy, I guess.
I’m not just saying that because I oppose him politically, by the way. I don’t feel this way about Turnbull, Abbott, Bishop, Hinch, Christensen, Anning, Leyonhjelm, Hanson or even Bernardi. Okay, Abetz, maybe a little, but Dutton’s a different breed altogether.
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Pies4shaw
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| Classic epsilon minus. |
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | I’m being somewhat facetious; I don’t really believe that Dutton is evil, pure or otherwise. But he’s definitely a “wrong ‘un”, as they say. Something has to have gone awry with the wiring along the way – whatever it is that affects capacity to feel empathy, I guess.
I’m not just saying that because I oppose him politically, by the way. I don’t feel this way about Turnbull, Abbott, Bishop, Hinch, Christensen, Anning, Leyonhjelm, Hanson or even Bernardi. Okay, Abetz, maybe a little, but Dutton’s a different breed altogether. |
Lemme guess, refugee related?
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A lot of little things around that, but I think it was the time when he said that the “War on Christmas” “just makes his blood boil”. I just thought, this is a guy who makes decisions every day about people’s future that an ordinary person would find heartbreaking, knowing that it’s a matter of life and death for many, and is also in control of detention centres full of depression, self-harm and sexual abuse – yet the thing that makes his pulse rise is this totally made-up stuff about Christmas. It was definitely one of those “is this guy even human” moments.
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David
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Dutton-supporting ministers quitting in droves now. The list of who’s out is a real rogue’s gallery – Zed Seselja, Concetta Fierraventi-Wells, James McGrath, Michael Keenan...
Interestingly, Darren Chester and a small handful of moderate Nationals have apparently threatened to sit on the crossbench if Turnbull gets rolled, which means most importantly that a Prime Minister Dutton couldn’t be assured of surviving a no-confidence vote. Interesting times...
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