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partypie
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| There's also the cloud hanging over Dutton's eligibility to be a member of parliament due to his business interests, under section 44 of the constitution, which could end up in the High Court |
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David 
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What’s the prospect of him getting referred? It would have to come from the government, right?
Can you imagine Turnbull having the guts to do that, as a way of getting rid of Dutton once and for all? It’d be like a particularly gruesome performance of Julius Caesar.
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stui magpie 
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| partypie wrote: | | There's also the cloud hanging over Dutton's eligibility to be a member of parliament due to his business interests, under section 44 of the constitution, which could end up in the High Court |
Section 44(v). I put a link on page 1 of this thread.
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HAL
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stui magpie
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Apparently Dutton has other troubles. If he manages to get the numbers to roll Mal, a number of moderates are threatening to sit on the cross benches, meaning he'd need to call an election straight away.
Unrelated to that, but on the topic of why federal politics is so farked at the moment, this is a quite good article I thought.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/how-to-fix-the-flaw-at-the-heart-of-australian-politics-20180822-p4zyyl.html
I like the idea of 5 year fixed terms, it might mean you give a government some space to actually try and do something instead of taking office with 1 eye already on the next election.
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David
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Really can't agree with the idea of direct election of leaders (the presidential model). The answer isn't to give more power to politics' cult of personality. Like many people, I think 5 year fixed terms sound great if it's a government I support and awful if it's one I oppose. Losing our current flexibility in calling elections seems to take a step away from democratic engagement and give more power to electioneering, but I do agree with the author that something needs to change, because politics in Australia isn't working right now.
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stui magpie
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I'm not much for the direct election of leaders either, but I think the 5 year fixed terms would work.
This whole idea of being able to call an election when the polls suits you to me just drives the populist behaviour we both would like to get rid of.
It means that a party/leader has the time to develop a vision and try to implement it. So the people who didn't vote for them have to suck it up for 5 years.
I'd also like to see the leadership fixed for that time to. We don't have direct elections of the leaders of the parties, but the parties select the leader to take them to the election and if they win power, that person is locked in as leader for the 5 year term. If they decide part way through that they hate his/her guts, too bad. Should have been more careful in the first place, you can change the leader once the next election is due if you like.
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HAL
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| Oh I get a partyleader has the time to develop a vision and try to implement it . |
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Wokko 
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/liberal-party-full-of-the-wrong-people/news-story/f05ec4eaab4f583cf823311d86325bfb
| Quote: | Liberal Party full of the wrong people
By CORY BERNARDI
Like a low-budget horror film featuring C-grade actors, Australian politics has entered the realm of the absurd. It’s not as if we haven’t seen this script before either. The Coalition is taking us through a repeat of Labor’s period of dysfunctional government.
Unfortunately the malaise within the Liberal Party is much more serious than that of its opposition. Without the structure to manage internal party disputes, Liberals face a continuing battle to re-establish what they actually stand for.
The Liberal Party was once the party of free enterprise, limited government, civil society, lower taxes and stronger families. Now it has become a shelter for those who don’t fit into Labor but still want to pursue a political career.
John Howard coined the phrase “a broad church”, but every church has a congregation of common belief. Regrettably, the Liberals have admitted too many whose only commitment is to attaining positions of personal power and influence.
Adopting Labor powerbroker Graham Richardson’s approach of “whatever it takes”, these apparatchiks have systematically broken down the conventions, policies and practices that have united successive generations of Liberals. Among the many who fit this profile, Malcolm Turnbull’s political career is validation of the thesis.
It is a matter of record that Turnbull originally sought preselection with the Labor Party, which wisely wasn’t prepared to make him an offer he thought befitting of his ambition. He then turned his attentions to joining the Liberals.
Defying convention, Turnbull organised a well-funded branch-stacking campaign against a first-term sitting member and gained preselection. On election he immediately undermined treasurer Peter Costello with a plethora of tax policies designed to highlight that he was the smartest man in the partyroom.
Turnbull’s self-absorption was demonstrated by his request for a mention in Howard’s election-night concession speech. This was followed by a failed leadership tilt, the relentless white-anting of Brendan Nelson, plotting with Labor to introduce an emissions trading scheme and then the Godwin Grech affair.
When Tony Abbott was elected on the back of Turnbull’s failures, the jilted former leader was ruthless in his determination to tear him down and seize the crown back for himself. His co-conspirators were heedless of the long-term consequences of their actions as they sought personal advancement. As I mentioned at the time, the transaction cost of the coup d’etat would be paid by the party for many years to come.
Like a viral infection, this political guerilla warfare has invaded elements of the Liberal traditionalists, who are using the same brutal political techniques against the original host. The result is a party at war with itself and without a capacity for reaching a detente between the battling factions. It appears the virus has succeeded in changing the DNA of the Liberal Party.
This is a gift for Labor leader Bill Shorten. The Opposition Leader readily has embraced a divisive brand of identity politics that has gained traction in leftist parties across the world. He also has adopted the interventionist economic approach, with its commitment to big government and higher taxes beloved by socialists everywhere. He has been reduced to an Australian version of Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders without the charisma.
Regrettably, the dysfunction in the government makes the perceived stability and platitudes of Labor appealing to large sections of the electorate. The soothing words of new-fashioned socialism warm the fuzzy minds of those embracing the politics of envy. Words are one thing, but it will be the actions of a Labor government dominated by a militant caucus that will do the real damage to the country.
Like Turnbull, Shorten is malleable on almost every policy front and it will be the left of his party that will do the hammering. Their agenda will surrender Australian self-determination to international bodies, cleave a united nation into race, creed and colour groups, stifle private enterprise in favour of government “enterprise” and force radical social change as they continue the long march through our institutions.
In government, Labor’s final capitulation to Chinese influence will become more evident. Its abandonment of Israel and thinly disguised anti-Semitic rhetoric will increase in shrillness while it compounds the economic attacks on working Australians.
The Australian people don’t like Shorten and I am not sure they are fully aware of Labor’s policy agenda but, regrettably, it is the only political game in town right now. The Liberal Party has squandered a five-year golden opportunity to advance the policy mix that has been a hallmark of its own history. It did so by surrendering principle to the politics of personality and power prima donnas. The Australian people have lost faith in politics and politicians. After the 10-year political circus we have been exposed to, who can blame them?
Senator Cory Bernardi, a former member of the Liberal Party, is leader of Australian Conservatives. |
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Wokko
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BREAKING
Malcolm Turnbull could face another leadership spill today, and is unlikely to have the numbers, according to sources.
Apparently he's 3 votes short now. |
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HAL
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| And unlikely to have the numbers according to sources is BREAKING
Malcolm Turnbull could face another leadership spill and. |
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David
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| Wokko wrote: | BREAKING
Malcolm Turnbull could face another leadership spill today, and is unlikely to have the numbers, according to sources.
Apparently he's 3 votes short now. |
Really!!? Where did this come from?
Jesus, stuff moves fast these days.
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Wokko
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| David wrote: | | Wokko wrote: | BREAKING
Malcolm Turnbull could face another leadership spill today, and is unlikely to have the numbers, according to sources.
Apparently he's 3 votes short now. |
Really!!? Where did this come from?
Jesus, stuff moves fast these days. |
I think it was the Herald Sun. When you only need 7 votes without making even 1 phone call you know you can swing things. Dutton just needs to offer some front bench spots and he's home. The wildcard is news that Scott Morrison might run and Turnbull will pull out.
He'll only have 9 months to set an agenda and turn things around, seems a bit of a poison chalice but Gillard managed it (just). |
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stui magpie
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HAL
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| I don't know what that means. |
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