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masoncox
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Tom Jok
Position: Wing
Height: 193cm
Weight: 80kg
D.O.B: 01/01/97
Recruited From: Dandenong U18/St Kevin's
The story so far: Jok is a strong athlete who spent time in the TAC Cup with the Dandenong Stingrays before becoming a St Kevin's Premiership player in 2017. Spent the pre-season recovering from injury. |
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watt price tully 
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| masoncox wrote: | ^^^
Tom Jok
Position: Wing
Height: 193cm
Weight: 80kg
D.O.B: 01/01/97
Recruited From: Dandenong U18/St Kevin's
The story so far: Jok is a strong athlete who spent time in the TAC Cup with the Dandenong Stingrays before becoming a St Kevin's Premiership player in 2017. Spent the pre-season recovering from injury. |
Yeah, hes a great prospect
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stui magpie 
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He either doesn't know where the weights room is or he has Kenyan in his family. His ankles go all the way to his crotch with no visible calf or quad muscles, but yes he's a good prospect.
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piedys 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | It really is a master slave scenario isn't it. If you want to play AFL, you go where you're drafted or sit out for up to 2 years. No wonder we're seeing so many lids doing their 2 years then looking for a trade |
Stui, that's the restraint-of-trade quandary isn't it?
The player has to firstly weight up passing up $100K per season to play [and presumably relocate interstate in the process], as well as two years of experience at AFL level, and the chance to be on-traded to a prefered suitor for homesickness reasons [and deal out the metal health card if necessary].
Or miss out on a guaranteed $200K, and two years of AFL standard pre-season fitness and training facilities, only have to to go through the anxiety of the draft all over again, this time two years behind schedule.
The only physical risk they are taking in that two year window is the possibility of incurring a long term injury, which might jeopardise their immediate playing future, but you'd be extremely unlucky in that instance.
It's just easier to play the AFL's draft-lotto game and manipulate it to advance your career two years down the track.
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| piedys wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | It really is a master slave scenario isn't it. If you want to play AFL, you go where you're drafted or sit out for up to 2 years. No wonder we're seeing so many lids doing their 2 years then looking for a trade |
Stui, that's the restraint-of-trade quandary isn't it?
The player has to firstly weight up passing up $100K per season to play [and presumably relocate interstate in the process], as well as two years of experience at AFL level, and the chance to be on-traded to a prefered suitor for homesickness reasons [and deal out the metal health card if necessary].
Or miss out on a guaranteed $200K, and two years of AFL standard pre-season fitness and training facilities, only have to to go through the anxiety of the draft all over again, this time two years behind schedule.
The only physical risk they are taking in that two year window is the possibility of incurring a long term injury, which might jeopardise their immediate playing future, but you'd be extremely unlucky in that instance.
It's just easier to play the AFL's draft-lotto game and manipulate it to advance your career two years down the track. |
Almost but not quite.
There is also the mental health strains it may take out on a young mind.
Imagine being an young minded 18 year old (say very talented) from Melbourne being drafted by the WA teams, or any of the interstate team for that matter... it is akin to slavery. And then as a young 'talented' player being continually pressured and pestered to stay in the future etc... for a full two years.
Obviously the draft system has to stay or it would compromise the whole AFL, but imo, you cannot force people to stay in far off distant places away from their family, loved ones and 'real' support systems (ie they're still there after football is over).
The individual should still have rights, and it should be draft at your own risk for the clubs. I think it should be one year, not two, and I believe that individuals should be in there full rights to say to any club - dont draft me, ill never sign another contract with you and im not interested in committing to your club mentally.
As a matter of interest what examples do we have of individuals sitting out after being drafted by a club they didnt want to commit to? MM any ideas?
ps: I know we have the Cameron McCarthy example from GWS/Fremantle.
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BazBoy
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Quaynor featured on AFL -at 182 (concedes 6 cm to Harry ,O)
Weight wise 6 kg less than Harry. But he,s still a kid but there is a point where he is on par
His explosive pace and run out of defence
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| masoncox wrote: | ^^^
Tom Jok
Position: Wing
Height: 193cm
Weight: 80kg
D.O.B: 01/01/97
Recruited From: Dandenong U18/St Kevin's
The story so far: Jok is a strong athlete who spent time in the TAC Cup with the Dandenong Stingrays before becoming a St Kevin's Premiership player in 2017. Spent the pre-season recovering from injury. |
Fantastic bloke, very team oriented. I hope we rookie him, if not I hope he gets picked up by another club. |
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piedys
Heeeeeeere's Dyso!!!
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| The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote: | | piedys wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | It really is a master slave scenario isn't it. If you want to play AFL, you go where you're drafted or sit out for up to 2 years. No wonder we're seeing so many lids doing their 2 years then looking for a trade |
Stui, that's the restraint-of-trade quandary isn't it?...
It's just easier to play the AFL's draft-lotto game and manipulate it to advance your career two years down the track. |
Almost but not quite.
There is also the mental health strains it may take out on a young mind.
Imagine being an young minded 18 year old (say very talented) from Melbourne being drafted by the WA teams, or any of the interstate team for that matter... it is akin to slavery.
And then as a young 'talented' player being continually pressured and pestered to stay in the future etc... for a full two years.
Obviously the draft system has to stay or it would compromise the whole AFL, but imo, you cannot force people to stay in far off distant places away from their family, loved ones and 'real' support systems (ie they're still there after football is over).
The individual should still have rights, and it should be draft at your own risk for the clubs. I think it should be one year, not two, and I believe that individuals should be in there full rights to say to any club - dont draft me, ill never sign another contract with you and im not interested in committing to your club mentally.
As a matter of interest what examples do we have of individuals sitting out after being drafted by a club they didnt want to commit to? MM any ideas?
ps: I know we have the Cameron McCarthy example from GWS/Fremantle. |
It will be interesting if one player someday decides to test the draft in court.
I don't think the court could make an exception for one individual, as a precedence would then be set. The whole system would therefore be compromised, and thus fall apart as a free-for-all for draftees to go to a suitor of choice.
The only viable way around it, would be to bring in a rule where draftees can nominate for home-state retention say during the first two rounds?
For example: say Jack Lukosius is touted as #1 pick in draft; he would therefore be allocated to the Crows or Port, and whoever of the two South Australian finished lower on the ladder pre-draft would have first dibs on him. Thus if Connor Rozee was #2 pick, he would therefore go to Port.
And this would unfold again in 2nd round for potentially the 3rd and 4th best S.A. juniors to be retained in their home state.
That would keep both players away from Carlton, GCS, St.Rapist or whatever interstate cellar dwellar had designs on them.
Thus WA teams would get the first option on their best 4 local players.
Same for Qld and NSW draftees too; they wouldn't be obliged to nominate for home-state retention, but it would be available as a safeguard of sorts.
For instance Bailey Scott, son of Robert, has chosen to go to Victoria instead of going through the Suns system, after growing up on the Gold Coast.
Father/Son draftees might need to fall into the first/second rounds picks too.
At least the Victorian boys would have a chance to remain in the state, even if it means going to a weaker club in the process of a rebuild.
Any players drafted from round three onwards have their home-state retention request voided. Too bad, so sad; at this point consider yourself lucky to still be in the running to play AFL.
And if you don't like it after two years, well, just request a trade!
Not a perfect science, but perhaps worth some tinkering with a phantom draft, if anybody wants to throw one together based on those changes, I'm sure it would be an interesting exercise?
Just my 20cents worth from the ivory tower of the peanut gallery...
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Thats a good,un K
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MightyMagpie
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masoncox
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| MightyMagpie wrote: | http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/25074968/afl-draft-phantom-chris-doerre-knightmare-first-two-rounds
Quaynor 10-20
Kelly 20-40 |
The earlier Quaynor goe's the worse it is for us.
Hope he goe's for 20 plus pick.
The points really fall away every pick. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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Murray Trade is Really Costing Us now with this Draft.
Dumb Trade all over that was
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September Zeros
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| Dave The Man wrote: | Murray Trade is Really Costing Us now with this Draft.
Dumb Trade all over that was |
Dumb trade ? Or dumb player decision?
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npalm
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| September Zeros wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Murray Trade is Really Costing Us now with this Draft.
Dumb Trade all over that was |
Dumb trade ? Or dumb player decision? |
Well, indulging in a recreational/performance drug and destroying his career was definitely a dumb decision.
I guess we'll never know if the trade was dumb. For mine, he showed enough in his 13 games to suggest he might have made it as a good running defender eventually.
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