Vic State Election
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Culprit 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | The VEC has completed its recount in Ripon. The Libs won by 15 votes. |
I expect it to go to the court of disputed turns as they had the ALP the winner with 31 votes before a partial recount. |
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David 
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Upper house results are in today (pending any recounts). Most interestingly, Fiona Patten (who was widely presumed to have lost her seat on election day and went as far as to vacate her parliamentary office) has retained her seat in the Northern Metropolitan region an excellent result, in my view, both because of her quality as a candidate and because of what it will do to the makeup of the upper house. Here are the final tallies:
ALP 18
Coalition 11
Derryn Hinch's Justice Party 3
Liberal Democrats 2
Animal Justice 1
Greens 1
Reason 1
Shooters, Fishers and Farmers 1
Sustainable Australia 1
Transport Matters 1
With Labor, the Greens, Reason and Animal Justice, there'll be a narrow progressive majority in the upper house.
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stui magpie 
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Yeah, good on Fiona. I gave her my 1 vote.
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Pies4shaw 
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| David wrote: | Upper house results are in today (pending any recounts). Most interestingly, Fiona Patten (who was widely presumed to have lost her seat on election day and went as far as to vacate her parliamentary office) has retained her seat in the Northern Metropolitan region an excellent result, in my view, both because of her quality as a candidate and because of what it will do to the makeup of the upper house. Here are the final tallies:
ALP 18
Coalition 11
Derryn Hinch's Justice Party 3
Liberal Democrats 2
Animal Justice 1
Greens 1
Reason 1
Shooters, Fishers and Farmers 1
Sustainable Australia 1
Transport Matters 1
With Labor, the Greens, Reason and Animal Justice, there'll be a narrow progressive majority in the upper house. |
And with the Liberal Party fleeing at lightning speed from its disastrous flirtation with the Nasty Right, that should just about be that by quite some margin for the next four years. |
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Morrigu 
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I am absolutely ecstatic that AJP have secured a seat!
I spent quite a few hours as a volunteer scrutineer at the Showgrounds post election - what a process!! So many people, so manual, piles of ballot papers with elastic bands and post it notes!!! Manual counts and manual transcriptions on to yet more bits of paper then added up by calculator.
Surely there has to be a better way - it seemed ridiculous in this day and age - no wonder recounts are needed  |
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David
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One day itll all be done by computer, youd have to think. Though nerve-racking to think of some of the potential vulnerabilities of that system...
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Culprit
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Fiona is attacking the Preference Whisperer is very hypocritical as that is how she got into Parliament last time. For someone to become and MP on a handful of votes when someone else has thousands more votes is wrong. The ALP and the LNP hopefully get together to bring Victoria into line with other States (Exclude WA). In saying that they did vote together to give us this system.
My view is the ALP only need one more vote to pass any policy as they will have the Reason and Greens Party on board. Easy to obtain the 3rd vote. Daniel Andrews would be very pleased. |
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watt price tully 
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| Culprit wrote: | | Fiona is attacking the Preference Whisperer is very hypocritical as that is how she got into Parliament last time. For someone to become and MP on a handful of votes when someone else has thousands more votes is wrong............ |
Can people learn from their mistakes?
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David
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I wouldn't even call it a mistake. What are you supposed to do when the system is gamed in the way it is take the moral high ground like the Victorian Socialists and stand zero chance of being elected, or try your best to play it to your advantage? I don't blame the micros for doing deals with Glenn Druery (except for Hinch's Party, which actually employs him talk about conflict of interest...), but I do want to see that system abolished. It's not up to Patten to do that, it's up to one or both of the major parties to get it through.
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David
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https://www.crikey.com.au/2018/12/12/victorian-crossbench/
| Quote: | How will Dan Andrews deal with this farrago of a crossbench?
Guy Rundle
The results for Victorias upper house, the legislative council, are in and its a measure of how dire the system is that waiting for the final placements was not unlike clutching your lotto ticket on a Saturday night, and seeing if your numbers came up.
As Poll Bludger William Bowe outlines, the one-above-the-line group ticket voting system has delivered a doozy. Eighteen out of the 40 members are Labor, 10 are Liberal, one National and a crossbench comprised of one Green, three for Derryn Hinch Justice Party, two Liberal Democrats, one for Transport Matters, one for Sustainable Australia, one for Animal Justice, one for Eats Roots and Leaves (sorry, we mean Shooters, Fishers and Farmers) and Fiona Patten of the Reason Party clawing her way back in, in Northern Metro.
Glenn Druerys micro-party carousel has thus delivered for those who contracted for his information evenings, and by an incredible coincidence, the greatest beneficiary was the Justice party, whose god-like figurehead Derryn Hinch is advised by Glenn Druery.
That might have given the Justice Party a substantial degree of power had the chips fallen differently. But Labors vote was so high (going from 14 to 18 seats) and the Liberals so low (going from 14 to 10) that Labor only needs three of the 11 crossbenchers to get a majority on any legislation.
Theres half a dozen articles in The Age at the moment arguing that Labor will have a nightmare task managing the crossbench, etc. Do people even stop to think before they write such articles, or is it just control-v crossbench spells chaos all the way?
To some extent, one could say theres a reactionary social conservative direction to a lot of these parties. Derryn Hinchs Justice, Shooters, Sustainable Australia, Liberal Democrats, and Transport Matters (cab drivers!) have different issues paedos, immigrants, greenies, etc but they all share a politics of outsiderism and resentment, moving to the outer edges of paranoia. If they added Animal Justice on some issues, theyd have a bloc of nine, enough to fight Labor to a draw on a range of progressive legislation.
But, of course, such a coalition isnt remotely stable. At the level of beliefs alone, you cant read off an attitude to environment, planning, education etc from the sex-crime/victimhood obsessive Justice party, and the Lib Dems would or should break ranks on a whole range of social issues. The Shooters are against big government, save, one suspects, for rural development packages and so on.
So if Labor wants to go in a law n order direction, its got the votes easily. And if it wants to get progressive legislation through, it should be able to add to the Greens and Reason, some combination of all or part of the Lib Dems, Justice, and Animal Justice.
Should that prove difficult at the level of ideology, well, there are three interest parties Hinchs Justice, Transport Matters and Animal Justice they can offer deals to. If that fails, Labor can pour the pork or Quorn for whatever region they represent.
Of course, the counter-argument to that is that the idea that these parties are somehow separate is something of a fiction. Justice/Sustainable/Shooters/Transport, and potentially the Liberal Democrats are full of back channels and could be directed as a de facto right-wing unit, of six to eight votes. That would give the Animal Justice Party quite a lot of power. (It also puts the lie to Van Badhams thesis that its better for progressives to keep group voting tickets; One Nation would not get six seats in an optional preferential multi-member system. Badhams argument manages to be both cynical and counter-productive.)
But theres a working social-progressive coalition available for Labor, using Justice, the Greens and Reason (who, having started as the libertarian Sex Party, are now wittering on about nanny-state/nudge measures such as a Ministry of Loneliness) for more stuff in the gender-neutral traffic light line. And theres a liberal-progressive coalition available of Greens-Reason-Liberal Democrats on things like drug policy, womens health, LGBTQI stuff presuming that the Lib Dems are actual social libertarians and not flat-tax tinfoil comb-overs.
So if anyone is going to try and direct the reactionary/single-issue parties as a unit and I wonder who that would be theyre going to have to keep them all together, all the time. Once one peels off for a special deal, itll be all for themselves. Labor will be the one having the Shooters party, picking them off. Drink your creamy soda, mate. Youre going to need the sugar rush.
The system remains utterly anti-democratic, with voters preferences directed to places they would never consciously go, and everyone playing the game except, as noted by Antony Green and Kevin Bonham, the Victorian Socialists (which, disclaimer, I am associated with) whose preferences flowed with political consistency, and who, on 4.5%, outpolled Reason in Northern Metro. But in the brave new era, Labor has less incentive than ever to change the system. |
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Jezza 
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Legislative Council Results:
- Labor = 18
- Coalition = 11
- Derryn Hinch's Justice= 3
- Liberal Democrats = 2
- Greens = 1
- Shooters, Fishers and Farmers = 1
- Animal Justice = 1
- Reason = 1
- Sustainable Australia = 1
- Transport Matters = 1
Primary Vote:
- Labor = 1,405,475 (39.22%) = 18 Seats
- Coalition = 1,054,779 (29.43%) = 11 Seats
- Greens = 331,479 (9.25%) = 1 Seat
- Derryn Hinch's Justice = 134,266 (3.75%) = 3 Seats
- Shooters, Fishers and Farmers = 108,280 (3.02%) = 1 Seat
- Liberal Democrats = 89,428 (2.50%) = 2 Seats
- Animal Justice = 88,520 (2.47%) = 1 Seat
- Democratic Labour = 75,221 (2.10%) = 0 Seats
- Reason = 49,013 (1.37%) = 1 Seat
- Voluntary Euthanasia = 42,611 (1.19%) = 0 Seats
- Aussie Battler = 33,172 (0.93%) = 0 Seats
- Victorian Socialists = 32,603 (0.91%) = 0 Seats
- Sustainable Australia = 29,831 (0.83%) = 1 Seat
- Health Australia = 28,132 (0.79%) = 0 Seats
- Country = 24,295 (0.68%) = 0 Seats
- Transport Matters = 22,051 (0.62%) = 1 Seat
- Australian Liberty Alliance = 20,065 (0.56%) = 0 Seats
- Hudson for Northern Victoria = 6,363 (0.18%) = 0 Seats
- Vote 1 Local Jobs = 5,338 (0.15%) = 0 Seats
- Independent = 2,556 (0.07%) = 0 Seats
Regions:
Eastern Metropolitan Region:
- Labor = 2
- Coalition = 2
- Transport Matters = 1
Eastern Victoria Region:
- Labor = 2
- Coalition = 2
- Shooters, Fishers and Farmers = 1
Northern Metropolitan Region:
- Labor = 2
- Coalition = 1
- Greens = 1
- Reason = 1
Northern Victoria Region:
- Labor = 2
- Coalition = 1
- Derryn Hinch's Justice = 1
- Liberal Democrats = 1
South Eastern Metropolitan Region:
- Labor = 3
- Coalition = 1
- Liberal Democrats = 1
Southern Metropolitan Region:
- Labor = 2
- Coalition = 2
- Sustainable Australia = 1
Western Metropolitan Region:
- Labor = 3
- Coalition = 1
- Derryn Hinch's Justice = 1
Western Victoria Region:
- Labor = 2
- Coalition = 1
- Derryn Hinch's Justice = 1
- Animal Justice = 1
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K
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| David wrote: | | One day itll all be done by computer, youd have to think. Though nerve-racking to think of some of the potential vulnerabilities of that system... |
The counting or the voting? Both? |
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David
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The voting! My sympathies go out to whoever has to do data entry at the moment.
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K
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| Electoral officers were a little hazy on whether absent people (away from home) could vote onlline... They could do something online, but whether that was just registering their absence, authorizing a designated person to vote on their behalf, or ... |
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stui magpie
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| David wrote: | | One day itll all be done by computer, youd have to think. Though nerve-racking to think of some of the potential vulnerabilities of that system... |
In the short term, I think you'd still need to go to a polling booth to vote, if you rely on using the internet it's able to be hacked.
Set up a polling booth with touchscreens or tablets, verify identity as now, and use a similar setup to what large corporate use to access work remotely to prevent hacking.
You may still need a paper alternative for postal votes and people who can't use tech, but you'd get the vast majority doing it basically online and getting live progress reports.
Just don't buy tablets with huawei tech unless we want China choosing the government. 
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