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Pies2016
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| TaylorMade wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | Last year our main problem was our poor rate (13th in fact) of centre clearances. Hopefully we can significantly improve in this area of the game, which is even more important with the new 666 rule. |
Hmmm ill agree with this, Good point Rudeboy. We can make this our no.1 concern ( for the moment ) unless someone can pin point an area of greater or similar concern.
No.1 Weakness : Centre Clearences |
Yes and no.
Everyone wants to win more centre clearances but retaining the ball in your own forward line is what ultimately decides your return on the scoreboard.
In 2018 we retained the ball long ball enough to go within a kick of being premiers.
In 2017 Richmond were close to last in clearance and won the flag. They simply didn’t allow the ball out until they scored.
The new starting positions will change the landscape a bit but it’s about keeping it in there, not just getting it down there and then giving it back up.
Statistically, we were poor in one on one defensive marking contests. We gave up to many set shots on goal because we were outmarked too often.
Obviously defensively we were decimated for big blokes and it took its toll.
Moore is a big piece of the defensive puzzle if he can stay fit. Dunn is smart and was sadly missed, while Langdon and Howe punch above their weight in marking competitions.
Keep Moore fit, get Dunn back and we will hold up more of the oppositions set shots on goal. If you keep the opposition to only taking shots on goal while under pressure, then you increase your chance of winning it back and doing some damage going the other way. |
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TaylorMade
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| TaylorMade wrote: | Collingwood's No.1 Concern : Get out of Danger option !!
Previous Concern : Centre Clearences
Or Can Cox take that next step, or can anyone realistically help Cox and Grundy in this area? It killed us in the Granny!! |
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TaylorMade
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | TaylorMade wrote: | | RudeBoy wrote: | | Last year our main problem was our poor rate (13th in fact) of centre clearances. Hopefully we can significantly improve in this area of the game, which is even more important with the new 666 rule. |
Hmmm ill agree with this, Good point Rudeboy. We can make this our no.1 concern ( for the moment ) unless someone can pin point an area of greater or similar concern.
No.1 Weakness : Centre Clearences |
Yes and no.
Everyone wants to win more centre clearances but retaining the ball in your own forward line is what ultimately decides your return on the scoreboard.
In 2018 we retained the ball long ball enough to go within a kick of being premiers.
In 2017 Richmond were close to last in clearance and won the flag. They simply didn’t allow the ball out until they scored.
The new starting positions will change the landscape a bit but it’s about keeping it in there, not just getting it down there and then giving it back up.
Statistically, we were poor in one on one defensive marking contests. We gave up to many set shots on goal because we were outmarked too often.
Obviously defensively we were decimated for big blokes and it took its toll.
Moore is a big piece of the defensive puzzle if he can stay fit. Dunn is smart and was sadly missed, while Langdon and Howe punch above their weight in marking competitions.
Keep Moore fit, get Dunn back and we will hold up more of the oppositions set shots on goal. If you keep the opposition to only taking shots on goal while under pressure, then you increase your chance of winning it back and doing some damage going the other way. |
I think you have identified why our Defense wont be so much of a problem this year. The No.1 concern for now is actually being able to get it into the forward line from the defensive end. West Coast were able to cut Cox and Grundy off from big marks on the wing. Which was a big asset against Richmond the week before.
At this point, we dont have a 3rd option, or do we? I agree with Brown26 that Miochek is not valuable in this area. Darcy Moore is an option, but he is clearly going to be playing defense.
Is playing small on the wing hurting us? Sidey & Phillips? Should Chris Mayne become a permanent Defensive Wingman to slightly upgrade this area??
Collingwood's No1 Concern : Get out of Danger Option
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TaylorMade
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Im going to throw one out there. I think that there is a Major area of concern we are overlooking.
Speed.
Pace.
Acceleration.
What ever you want to call it. We need more of it. When we lost Treloar that was the first time I actually thought the season could be over. Not many guys can offer us what Treloar can, and not having his jets running at 100% hurt us more than we think. Varcoe is similar to Treloar but was also injured on and off. Without Treloar and Varcoe our midfield seriously lacks speed. Phillips, Pendles, Sidey also not the quickest players and can be exposed on turnovers.
JDG, Stephenson, Thomas are our other guys who a very fast players. All of which played no less than 80% forward. I think these guys should feature more in the midfield rotations. Elliot and Daicos could and should allow this to happen.
So our Hangar should have a few jets this year. But ( Go-To-Man / Marking option ) is a bigger area of concern for now.
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Toppi 
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This is why Reid will be given every opportunity. He plays the wing link man so well. Drifts up on very smart leads. Yes. He and Mihocek are different. But Reid is a smarter footballer. A fit Reid would not have been dominated by McGovern twice in a few weeks. Mihocek was. Either due to lack of ability or lack of smarts. Or a bit of both. I like Mihocek. But hoping Reid can step up as he can be that link man and then leave Cox in the forward 50.
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Toppi
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Multiple. Sorry
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Toppi
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Multiple.
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Toppi
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Another.
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Toppi
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Last one.
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Please don't shout at me - I can't help it.
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| You like Mihocek. |
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Toppi does. Toppi does. Toppi does. Toppi does. Toppi does.
(Commentators were not impressed by BM's finals series. There were calls for him to be dropped.) |
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TaylorMade
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| Toppi wrote: | | This is why Reid will be given every opportunity. He plays the wing link man so well. Drifts up on very smart leads. Yes. He and Mihocek are different. But Reid is a smarter footballer. A fit Reid would not have been dominated by McGovern twice in a few weeks. Mihocek was. Either due to lack of ability or lack of smarts. Or a bit of both. I like Mihocek. But hoping Reid can step up as he can be that link man and then leave Cox in the forward 50. |
I think Reid's marking ability is very good, only in the defensive end. Reid has never been a player that can take a Strong mark in a Crowd. He is better at reading the play and playing in a zone, imo. Very rarely does he ever leave his feet and jump high. I agree that he could outmark Mihocek but Reid is not a crash the pack type of player that Grundy and Cox are. A dominant contested marking option, in a pack of 6+ players. Like a Leo Barry.
Collingwood's No.1 Weakness : Get out of Danger Option
Realistic options : Mason, Grundy
Potential Options : Roughead?, Moore? Howe?
Un-Realistic : Miochek, Reid, Goldsack
Im seriously starting to think that Jeremy Howe could be the answer to this puzzle! He does it every single week. Could Jeremy Howe be an option?
FF : Elliot Mason Stevo
HF : JDG Checkers Howe
Is Jeremy The Dragon a Realistic Get out of Danger Option?? Can he provide the same marking presence as Cox and Grundy in a get out of jail situation? One thing is for sure, his kicking from the backline has been a little suspect the last couple years. Moving him to the forward line will shouldnt disturb the balance too much as trying to fit Roughead or Moore who can only replace Mihocek. Howe could move into forward line and benifit as a decoy to Cox.
Most importantly he can take the big grab that we need on the wing when trying to escape defense and become a realistic 3rd get out of danger option.
Chances of it happening, Un-Likely
So until Moore Rough or Howe get a chance somehow. Or unless Reid or Mihocek can start grabbin them from the top of the tree. Or unless Cox becomes a Reliable Monster. Our no.1 weakness is still not having a 3rd get out of danger option.
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Last year our main problem was our poor rate (13th in fact) of centre clearances. Hopefully we can significantly improve in this area of the game, which is even more important with the new 666 rule. |
we were beaten terribly by Freo in this regard as well.
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| TaylorMade wrote: | | Toppi wrote: | | This is why Reid will be given every opportunity. He plays the wing link man so well. Drifts up on very smart leads. Yes. He and Mihocek are different. But Reid is a smarter footballer. A fit Reid would not have been dominated by McGovern twice in a few weeks. Mihocek was. Either due to lack of ability or lack of smarts. Or a bit of both. I like Mihocek. But hoping Reid can step up as he can be that link man and then leave Cox in the forward 50. |
I think Reid's marking ability is very good, only in the defensive end. Reid has never been a player that can take a Strong mark in a Crowd. He is better at reading the play and playing in a zone, imo. Very rarely does he ever leave his feet and jump high. I agree that he could outmark Mihocek but Reid is not a crash the pack type of player that Grundy and Cox are. A dominant contested marking option, in a pack of 6+ players. Like a Leo Barry.
Collingwood's No.1 Weakness : Get out of Danger Option
Realistic options : Mason, Grundy
Potential Options : Roughead?, Moore? Howe?
Un-Realistic : Miochek, Reid, Goldsack
Im seriously starting to think that Jeremy Howe could be the answer to this puzzle! He does it every single week. Could Jeremy Howe be an option?
FF : Elliot Mason Stevo
HF : JDG Checkers Howe
Is Jeremy The Dragon a Realistic Get out of Danger Option?? Can he provide the same marking presence as Cox and Grundy in a get out of jail situation? One thing is for sure, his kicking from the backline has been a little suspect the last couple years. Moving him to the forward line will shouldnt disturb the balance too much as trying to fit Roughead or Moore who can only replace Mihocek. Howe could move into forward line and benifit as a decoy to Cox.
Most importantly he can take the big grab that we need on the wing when trying to escape defense and become a realistic 3rd get out of danger option.
Chances of it happening, Un-Likely
So until Moore Rough or Howe get a chance somehow. Or unless Reid or Mihocek can start grabbin them from the top of the tree. Or unless Cox becomes a Reliable Monster. Our no.1 weakness is still not having a 3rd get out of danger option. |
Howe's value continues to be as rebounding option at half back. I wouldnt mess with that. Absolutely no need. our forward line will give people fits this year without him. so versatile and each player brings their own unique skill set making it almost impossible to shut down.
even in a simple sense, when two guys go to cox to nullify his height, what havoc with Stevo, WHE, Elliot and Degoey wreak?
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BazBoy
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Weakness
Strength,s
Where do we sit
More weakness than strength,s OR the other way
Using a player coming back from injury and leads to a Wills pass takes a mark under pressure (Wills to Elliot) showed commitment
A big strength which runs thru the entire group
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