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Pies4shaw 
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David, I think you need to develop a frame of reference for analysing these problems. Let Monty Python help:
"And a question for you, Karl Marx - the struggle between workers and the owners of the means of production is a what struggle, a what struggle?"  |
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Pies4shaw
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| David wrote: | | I concede that “rort” is probably the wrong word here – I certainly agree that there’s no point pinning the blame on people trying to do the best they can in the conditions they’ve been given (and that wasn’t my intention)! My issue with it is that it’s effectively free money (through under taxation) for people who don’t need it, in turn putting housing out of reach for people who do. Obviously I don’t expect property investors to be happy about such a policy, and I’m not saying for a minute that they should be demonised, but I equally don’t feel the need to pander to them. It’s the same problem with pretty much any progressive economic policy, really – the rich always stand a chance of becoming a little less so. |
They're not actually the rich, though - that's the ALP's problem. These are just ordinary people living in ordinary places whose houses just happen to be worth a bit because of where they live. |
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swoop42 
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
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| Jezza wrote: | This is our Brexit and Trump moment! YES!  |
So basically the beginning of the end for a once great nation.
For the record more people have voted Labor/Greens at this stage than Liberal/Nationals.
An Australian government just got rewarded for years of dysfunction, race baiting, homophobic slurs and cuckoo climate change denying.
Not surprisingly those who like to present themselves as upstanding conservative politicians within the Coalition seemed to lead the charge on all those fronts time and again.
How very Christian of them.
All this election has done is reinforce that we have a dark bigoted underbelly and our society is getting evermore selfish and that suits the right just fine.
So now we have a situation where a Coalition government believes it's wise economic management to strip 150 billion of tax revenue out of the budget in the form of tax cuts all the while we have an aging population.
This is of course all on the back of big spending promises and a continuation of what is essentially middle and upper class welfare in the form of negative gearing and franking credits.
And let's not even start with their rather bizarre (for them) socialist policy of underwriting the mortgages of first home buyers.
Morrison can celebrate this "miracle" if he likes but he should do so in the knowledge that close on half the nation see it as nothing more than another 3 years of damnation where the divide between rich and poor will widen, social injustice for the marginalized grows and bigoted ideals will be allowed to prosper.
Australians all let us rejoice.
Not.
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stui magpie 
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Spot on P4S, Labor shot themselves in the foot by lumping aspirational, working middle class people in with the "top end of town" and telling them that they were now going to be financially penalised.
WIIFM is a long standing guiding principle.
Same as most people might believe in climate change and care about the environment, but aren't prepared to have their already exorbitant power bills go up further due to a seemingly rushed transition to renewable energy or lose jobs because of closing mines.
There's a reason the Green vote resonates most strongly in the inner city suburbs where the environment is an abstract concept they see on TV or online, and least strongly in the rural areas where the environment directly impacts their lives.
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Dark Beanie
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Most people only care about themselves and money.
There is this impression of a caring, sharing society when it suits but in reality each generation is as self absorbed as the next and only concerned with their little corner of the universe.
I am trying to teach my kids not to be reliant on other to make change - especially politicians - but to be proactive and do it themselves. If you believe strongly in something you have to get of your bum and do something about it, don't sit and whinge.
Anyway, the sun is shining and Tony Abbott & Fraser Anning got booted out.
And looks like Jacqui Lambie is back which should be fun - bring it on b*tches.
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KenH
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Pretty much what Swoop42 said, also agree with what Dark Beanie said as well which is unfortunate.
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swoop42
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I found 5 dollars outside on the ground after voting yesterday so that's a positive.
LOL.
Abbott is gone which is great in one way but bad as his continued presence only made the dynamics of the Coalition more unstable.
Disappointing that the streak of misery in Dutton didn't get what he deserved. Hopefully his presence provides headaches for Morrison. Vile p***k.
Very very happy to see Georgina Downer miss out again in Mayo.
The most self entitled born to rule candidate in recent memory who was hoping for an easy ride into politics in a once safe Liberal seat held previously by her father. Vile ***t.
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Morrigu 
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| ronrat wrote: | | Morrigu wrote: | | Hey Ronrat maybe we will retire to Thailand - your shout first up! |
Serously, because of idiotic changes made by DFAT at the Embassy I may have to eave and live with the folks about an hour from Hervey Bay. |
How come - what have they changed? |
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Wokko 
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Scott Morrison was asked which faction will control the narrative and he replied 'Me'. Has one man ever held so much political capital with the ability to use it how he sees fit? We'll finally get to see what Mr Morrison stands for beyond not being Bill Shorten.
As for Abbott, his loss while sad helps the coalition far more than Labor. GetUps weird obsession with attacking conservative members hasn't borne fruit at all. The left rump of Turnbull, Bishop, Pyne and Banks is all gone. The Liberals veered just far enough right to bring back their base and Morrison has nothing but clean air in front of him. If someone told me a year ago that Scott Morrison was going to be the next giant of the Liberal Party, standing alongside Howard and Menzies I'd have scoffed.
Labor needs to go away and rethink their move into the twitter/inner city left and get back to policies that help the working classes get ahead. Howard's battlers have deserted them again. |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Interesting you mention Twitter. How did the polls get it so wrong?
| Quote: | In the five days before election night, Professor Bela Stantic analysed 2 million social media comments, from more than half a million unique accounts, relating to 50 key terms, and predicted that Scott Morrison would win.
The director of Griffith University's Big Data and Smart Analytics lab has a track record. In 2016, he tipped Donald Trump to take the United States' presidency, and in doing so accurately forecast how all but one state voted. He also foresaw the United Kingdom's departure from the European Union coming that same year. |
Closing comment.
| Quote: | For Professor Stantic, it mattered. In his eyes, his latest successful prediction is yet more evidence of social media's crucial election role.
"We now live in a virtual world and are better accessed through social media. Public opinion could be better analysed from social media rather than just opinion polls," he said.
"People are more honest when they're talking to their friends rather than when they're answering polls." |
https://www.theage.com.au/federal-election-2019/the-expert-who-predicted-trump-brexit-and-scott-morrison-20190519-p51owf.html
Interesting points in there about the different levels of public interaction with different leaders and parties social media profiles.
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stui magpie
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| swoop42 wrote: | I found 5 dollars outside on the ground after voting yesterday so that's a positive.
LOL.
Abbott is gone which is great in one way but bad as his continued presence only made the dynamics of the Coalition more unstable.
Disappointing that the streak of misery in Dutton didn't get what he deserved. Hopefully his presence provides headaches for Morrison. Vile p***k.
Very very happy to see Georgina Downer miss out again in Mayo.
The most self entitled born to rule candidate in recent memory who was hoping for an easy ride into politics in a once safe Liberal seat held previously by her father. Vile ***t. |
I know nothing about her, but would the same logic apply to Kim Beazley's daughter who ran, and lost, in her fathers old seat?
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pietillidie
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| stui magpie wrote: | | There's a reason the Green vote resonates most strongly in the inner city suburbs where the environment is an abstract concept they see on TV or online, and least strongly in the rural areas where the environment directly impacts their lives. |
Distance grants greater rationality in many ways, including a longer time horizon and openness to information. But it also makes it harder to empathise with the short-term struggle and local sense of ownership.
You need both perspectives.
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stui magpie
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Pies4shaw
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| That’s rubbish, though. The media is just talking to itself, again. The ALP lost Queensland by falling between the two stools - you’ve got to take sides on some issues and they tried to dance around that issue, slipped and caught themselves on the fence when they came down. |
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pietillidie
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