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| qldmagpie67 wrote: | I don't know why everyone is losing there collective shit about Langdon
This wasn't a one off poor/horrible game it's another one in th sequence of sub afl standard performances he delivers most weeks
The only person who should be embarrassed by the posts in this thread is P4S trying to justify Langdon's performance as acceptable
Without going through goal for goal the first goal was a direct result of Langdon not being able to handball the ball to his team mate 2 meters away hence why Howe had to lunge his hand forward to stop it falling straight into a Carlton players hand untouched
His career average of conceding 3.38 goals per game wasn't reached on the weekend as he was only credited with 3 goals so on that basis I guess P4S sees a positive
Just to clarify one last thing he will never captain the Collingwood afl team EVER
Supporters who watch with open eyes don't stress once Scharenberg is back after the bye Langdon will spend most of his time on the pine or the VFL |
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Tom Langdon's game is 95% good. He's a good player, and important for us.
It's just the 2 or 3 incidents that leave you with your head in your hands.
Example...we are coming out of the backline, Langdon receives a handball in the rebounding chain, 10m free of an opposition player. 3 seconds later he hasn't disposedof the ball and gets tackled and taken over the boundary line by Gibbons, the smallest player on the park. Holding the ball...turnover...our players are forward of the ball, and scrambling to defend.
The mark he should have taken in the hands is another one JDG did one of those as well to be fair.
Reid took a couple of short steps near the end when he should have taken the mark and also taken out backtrackinig Casboult. In the end he did neither.
I agree other players don't get the same scrutiny for their stuff-ups. I thiink Tom's languid, style make his mistakes stand out more. |
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| bally12 wrote: | Tom Langdon's game is 95% good. He's a good player, and important for us.
It's just the 2 or 3 incidents that leave you with your head in your hands.
Example...we are coming out of the backline, Langdon receives a handball in the rebounding chain, 10m free of an opposition player. 3 seconds later he hasn't disposedof the ball and gets tackled and taken over the boundary line by Gibbons, the smallest player on the park. Holding the ball...turnover...our players are forward of the ball, and scrambling to defend.
The mark he should have taken in the hands is another one JDG did one of those as well to be fair.
Reid took a couple of short steps near the end when he should have taken the mark and also taken out backtrackinig Casboult. In the end he did neither.
I agree other players don't get the same scrutiny for their stuff-ups. I thiink Tom's languid, style make his mistakes stand out more. |
i remember the incident where he got caught holding the ball. It looked bad on TV. I wonder whether there were any options up the ground at the time or whether a lack of options was the reason he held onto it. Some players (Aish and Adams used to be the worst, and Maynard used tyo do it too when he was younger) just kick it up the field in that circumstance, but if that results in a turnover, that can be worse than hanging onto even where you give away a free kick. I have seen the quick kick out of defense result in many many goals. I do not believe Carlton scored a goal from that turnover. Often backmen get all the blame for these things. When you are looking for reasons to complain, this is a juicy example.
I'm really surprised, given Langdon's superhuman performance in the finals last year (is there a bigger stage to prove yourself), that he hasnt been cut more slack this year.
I guess this was what Maxwell went through until eventually the fans learned to love him. Holding a backline together isnt really about simply analyzing individual plays in the backline.
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Clearly, as we can see by this thread, he’s a player that polarizes fans. He’s the football equivalent of pineapple on a pizza - you either love it or hate it.
I think what someone described as his “languid” style is one reason people don’t like him. And he’s polarizing as in almost every game he does something great (reinforcing the opinion of people who like him), and something terrible (doing the opposite).
Maybe the psychology is that people who feel the need for a scapegoat are drawn to him?
Pretty sure the Future Captain schtick is designed to aggravate certain people. There was more to Maxwell than being a good defender
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | Clearly, as we can see by this thread, he’s a player that polarizes fans. He’s the football equivalent of pineapple on a pizza - you either love it or hate it.
I think what someone described as his “languid” style is one reason people don’t like him. And he’s polarizing as in almost every game he does something great (reinforcing the opinion of people who like him), and something terrible (doing the opposite).
Maybe the psychology is that people who feel the need for a scapegoat are drawn to him?
Pretty sure the Future Captain schtick is designed to aggravate certain people. There was more to Maxwell than being a good defender |
All good points. But to be clear, i believe there is more to Langdon than being a good defender as well. He is a glue guy back there. Makes everyone better, just as Maxwell did. The comparison was intentional.
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| E wrote: | | Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | Clearly, as we can see by this thread, he’s a player that polarizes fans. He’s the football equivalent of pineapple on a pizza - you either love it or hate it.
I think what someone described as his “languid” style is one reason people don’t like him. And he’s polarizing as in almost every game he does something great (reinforcing the opinion of people who like him), and something terrible (doing the opposite).
Maybe the psychology is that people who feel the need for a scapegoat are drawn to him?
Pretty sure the Future Captain schtick is designed to aggravate certain people. There was more to Maxwell than being a good defender |
All good points. But to be clear, i believe there is more to Langdon than being a good defender as well. He is a glue guy back there. Makes everyone better, just as Maxwell did. The comparison was intentional. |
Yep. There are none more blind than those who choose not to see |
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There are some here that would justify the Hindenburg disaster!
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Just for some reason I decided to watch the last quarter over again
I noticed that Langdon started on the bench in the last term and remained there for 9 minutes 30 seconds
In that time Carlton never had a forward entry inside 50 or scored a point
He came on and 40 seconds later he is beaten in a one on one contest by Silvagni the ball spills to ground goes t Cripps who bangs it through for a goal
Within 4 minutes of Langdon being back on the field Carlton boot 3 goals
(not blaming him for the other 2 goals)
With Fox IQ you can rewind and look over things which I love
Crisp moved up to the wing in the last term when Langdon came back on and booted a goal
With around 4 minutes to go we are inside our attacking 50 there is a boundary throw in. The wide shot shows Carlton only have 4 men in advance of the ball. There is 1 Carlton player standing by himself with no Pies player within 20 meters of him.
Pendles surveys the field as the boundary umpire is gathering the ball and you see him screaming at Langdon and pointing to the unmanned Carlton player. Langdon looks around and jogs off in the direction of the player
We lose the contest and Carlton bang it forward to the middle of the ground where Howe had to leave his man and spoil the ball away from the free Carlton player (Langdon's opponent)
The ball rebounds forward and we kick a goal.
The camera goes to the coaches box and Bucks is screaming into the phone and clearly really annoyed at something he saw
The runner goes out to Sidey who's on the closest wing
Sidey then runs back and you see clearly he's giving Langdon a dressing down and pointing to that player again
Our on field leaders clearly had noticed Langdon wasn't covering his man as instructed and the coach saw the same thing and with us only up by 1 point at that time t clearly upset the coach
Go watch the vision yourself it quite damning really and highlights how Langdon gets lost in the transition of the game so often |
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| He wasn't "beaten in a one-on-one contest". He punched the ball away from Silvagni and Cripps was the only other player near the contest, about 30 metres clear of his opponent. The result was inevitable because, at that particular stage of the last quarter, we badly lacked run in the midfield. There were reasons for that, too, but to blame Langdon for anything that happened is a little low, even by your standards of navarchusinfuturoitis. |
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| qldmagpie67 wrote: | Just for some reason I decided to watch the last quarter over again
I noticed that Langdon started on the bench in the last term and remained there for 9 minutes 30 seconds
In that time Carlton never had a forward entry inside 50 or scored a point
He came on and 40 seconds later he is beaten in a one on one contest by Silvagni the ball spills to ground goes t Cripps who bangs it through for a goal
Within 4 minutes of Langdon being back on the field Carlton boot 3 goals
(not blaming him for the other 2 goals)
With Fox IQ you can rewind and look over things which I love
Crisp moved up to the wing in the last term when Langdon came back on and booted a goal
With around 4 minutes to go we are inside our attacking 50 there is a boundary throw in. The wide shot shows Carlton only have 4 men in advance of the ball. There is 1 Carlton player standing by himself with no Pies player within 20 meters of him.
Pendles surveys the field as the boundary umpire is gathering the ball and you see him screaming at Langdon and pointing to the unmanned Carlton player. Langdon looks around and jogs off in the direction of the player
We lose the contest and Carlton bang it forward to the middle of the ground where Howe had to leave his man and spoil the ball away from the free Carlton player (Langdon's opponent)
The ball rebounds forward and we kick a goal.
The camera goes to the coaches box and Bucks is screaming into the phone and clearly really annoyed at something he saw
The runner goes out to Sidey who's on the closest wing
Sidey then runs back and you see clearly he's giving Langdon a dressing down and pointing to that player again
Our on field leaders clearly had noticed Langdon wasn't covering his man as instructed and the coach saw the same thing and with us only up by 1 point at that time t clearly upset the coach
Go watch the vision yourself it quite damning really and highlights how Langdon gets lost in the transition of the game so often |
Great analysis, Qld. I have Kayo, so i can rewind too and have a look at the incident you have cited. I remember seeing Bucks really angry after we kicked that goal, and the TV commentators also commented on it, but did not know the reasons.
However, i have noticed that you only subject to such scrutiny Langdon's errors, and never subject to the same scrutiny his brilliant plays, of which there are many examples. While you don't do that, your assessment of Tom Langdon always seems biased, unfair and therefore flawed.
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | He wasn't "beaten in a one-on-one contest". He punched the ball away from Silvagni and Cripps was the only other player near the contest, about 30 metres clear of his opponent. The result was inevitable because, at that particular stage of the last quarter, we badly lacked run in the midfield. There were reasons for that, too, but to blame Langdon for anything that happened is a little low, even by your standards of navarchusinfuturoitis. |
Mate completely wrong it was silvagni who spoiled the ball from a stationary Langdon watch the replay again this time without a blind fold on
Cripps wasn't the only player near the contest Crisp run in and when Cripps kicked it (maybe 2 steps to late) Grundy was also about 3-5m behind Cripps
Your ingnornace not to at least acknowledge he was poor on the weekend gives you zero credibility on any subject concerning Langdon |
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | Just for some reason I decided to watch the last quarter over again
I noticed that Langdon started on the bench in the last term and remained there for 9 minutes 30 seconds
In that time Carlton never had a forward entry inside 50 or scored a point
He came on and 40 seconds later he is beaten in a one on one contest by Silvagni the ball spills to ground goes t Cripps who bangs it through for a goal
Within 4 minutes of Langdon being back on the field Carlton boot 3 goals
(not blaming him for the other 2 goals)
With Fox IQ you can rewind and look over things which I love
Crisp moved up to the wing in the last term when Langdon came back on and booted a goal
With around 4 minutes to go we are inside our attacking 50 there is a boundary throw in. The wide shot shows Carlton only have 4 men in advance of the ball. There is 1 Carlton player standing by himself with no Pies player within 20 meters of him.
Pendles surveys the field as the boundary umpire is gathering the ball and you see him screaming at Langdon and pointing to the unmanned Carlton player. Langdon looks around and jogs off in the direction of the player
We lose the contest and Carlton bang it forward to the middle of the ground where Howe had to leave his man and spoil the ball away from the free Carlton player (Langdon's opponent)
The ball rebounds forward and we kick a goal.
The camera goes to the coaches box and Bucks is screaming into the phone and clearly really annoyed at something he saw
The runner goes out to Sidey who's on the closest wing
Sidey then runs back and you see clearly he's giving Langdon a dressing down and pointing to that player again
Our on field leaders clearly had noticed Langdon wasn't covering his man as instructed and the coach saw the same thing and with us only up by 1 point at that time t clearly upset the coach
Go watch the vision yourself it quite damning really and highlights how Langdon gets lost in the transition of the game so often |
Great analysis, Qld. I have Kayo, so i can rewind too and have a look at the incident you have cited. I remember seeing Bucks really angry after we kicked that goal, and the TV commentators also commented on it, but did not know the reasons.
However, i have noticed that you only subject to such scrutiny Langdon's errors, and never subject to the same scrutiny his brilliant plays, of which there are many examples. While you don't do that, your assessment of Tom Langdon always seems biased, unfair and therefore flawed. |
Max not true I have been critical of other players as well
I openly admit I'm not a Langdon fan he has too many brain farts for a afl player IMO
I'll accept I'm hard on him but I have also at times highlighted his courage and effort (never questioned that) and also praised him in game commentary when I believe he's deserved it
But each to there own we all see the world differently |
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There's not much point reporting on the replay in selective detail if you can't describe what you see accurately.
Navarchusinfuturo! |
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| qldmagpie67 wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | He wasn't "beaten in a one-on-one contest". He punched the ball away from Silvagni and Cripps was the only other player near the contest, about 30 metres clear of his opponent. The result was inevitable because, at that particular stage of the last quarter, we badly lacked run in the midfield. There were reasons for that, too, but to blame Langdon for anything that happened is a little low, even by your standards of navarchusinfuturoitis. |
Mate completely wrong it was silvagni who spoiled the ball from a stationary Langdon watch the replay again this time without a blind fold on
Cripps wasn't the only player near the contest Crisp run in and when Cripps kicked it (maybe 2 steps to late) Grundy was also about 3-5m behind Cripps
Your ingnornace not to at least acknowledge he was poor on the weekend gives you zero credibility on any subject concerning Langdon |
Just so we're clear on this, here's what I posted about the two Cripps goals on page 2 of this thread last Sunday, when I reviewed the defending goal by goal:
| Pies4shaw wrote: | Fourth Carlton goal - Greenwood gets outmarked by Dow (!!!) who runs clear and kicks long to McGovern. Langdon spoils him. The ball comes to ground, where Cripps is running unopposed, thirty metres from goal (thanks Reidy for trying to chase him - God knows where his man was). There is a chain of quick possessions by Carlton - for unfathomable reasons, Langdon keeps chasing, all the way to the goal square, where the ball finally comes to Silvagni at the end of a 5 on 1. Our midfield was apparently working to rule. Moore and Pendlebury also make a bee-line for the goal square, where they don't tackle anyone, either. Those that understand the game know that it was Langdon's fault.
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Eleventh Carlton goal - This is the one that you all noticed. Greenwood has followed his man to our half-forward line. Why is anybody's guess because he can't catch him, even down there, in a pack. Grundy is tackled. Dow is somehow ten yards clear of Treloar, who still has chase-a-phobia, and runs away with the spillage. He kicks long, Langdon tries to take a chest mark (which he shouldn't have done) but Silvagni spoils. He beats Silvagni pointless on the ground and knocks the ball forward. Crisp misses the tackle on Cunningham. The ball comes out to Cripps who - as part of our affirmative action plan - is again running unmarked at goal. Those that understand the game know that it was Langdon's fault.
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You're correct that Silvagni spoiled - I had the 4th goal in mind.
You will notice that my review identifies a series of errors (including Langdon's attempt at a chest mark) that led to the goal. Greenwood in the wrong place, Treloar not chasing, the Future Captain making an incorrect decision in the marking contest, the Future Captain demonstrating his presence of mind by pouncing on the ball and clearing it to a contest where Crisp misses a tackle and then, as I said, "The ball comes out to Cripps who - as part of our affirmative action plan - is again running unmarked at goal."
Which part of that do you actually disagree with? I reviewed every goal to identify Langdon's role in each because the whole purpose of the OP was to identify him as particularly at fault on Saturday. That just isn't correct on any reasonable analysis.
If you watch the replay of that eleventh Carlton goal closely, the coverage shows it from about 5 angles - the third shows how well Langdon worked the ball on the ground to recover after his mistake and how badly Crisp missed the tackle and the fourth (from behind the goals) shows our mids (not Grundy but our actual "runners") about 30 metres back towards the centre jogging towards the play as the goal is kicked. Everyone knows that Langdon should have tried to take the mark with his arms outstretched. My point is that there were several mistakes by Collingwood players in that passage that led to the goal. Langdon was nowhere near the most culpable.
More significantly, there were a number of goals caused by rank stupidity, such as when Moore just decided he wouldn't stand the mark with MacKay 60 metres from goal, so MacKay ran in and kicked it from 50. There could be an entire thread devoted to that - but people prefer not to focus on Moore making a kindergarten error because we'd like to think he isn't that inept. Happily for us, he mostly isn't.
The thing that entire threads could be devoted to is why our quicker mids start looking like they're suddenly running through treacle when they "chase" back. At the time - and after watching both those goals on replay - I couldn't believe how our mids gave Cripps so much space on the run - not in close at the stoppage but in the open field where he isn't particularly good and certainly not special (he has only ever kicked 3 goals in a game once and he goes at less than half a goal a game so letting him get one and create one with running to space was a very big fail by our mids). He isn't Cyril Rioli or Aaron Davey - he's just a big-bodied mid who was left to run 30 yards clear of the people who were supposed to run with him, twice - both times for goals. |
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | Just for some reason I decided to watch the last quarter over again
I noticed that Langdon started on the bench in the last term and remained there for 9 minutes 30 seconds
In that time Carlton never had a forward entry inside 50 or scored a point
He came on and 40 seconds later he is beaten in a one on one contest by Silvagni the ball spills to ground goes t Cripps who bangs it through for a goal
Within 4 minutes of Langdon being back on the field Carlton boot 3 goals
(not blaming him for the other 2 goals)
With Fox IQ you can rewind and look over things which I love
Crisp moved up to the wing in the last term when Langdon came back on and booted a goal
With around 4 minutes to go we are inside our attacking 50 there is a boundary throw in. The wide shot shows Carlton only have 4 men in advance of the ball. There is 1 Carlton player standing by himself with no Pies player within 20 meters of him.
Pendles surveys the field as the boundary umpire is gathering the ball and you see him screaming at Langdon and pointing to the unmanned Carlton player. Langdon looks around and jogs off in the direction of the player
We lose the contest and Carlton bang it forward to the middle of the ground where Howe had to leave his man and spoil the ball away from the free Carlton player (Langdon's opponent)
The ball rebounds forward and we kick a goal.
The camera goes to the coaches box and Bucks is screaming into the phone and clearly really annoyed at something he saw
The runner goes out to Sidey who's on the closest wing
Sidey then runs back and you see clearly he's giving Langdon a dressing down and pointing to that player again
Our on field leaders clearly had noticed Langdon wasn't covering his man as instructed and the coach saw the same thing and with us only up by 1 point at that time t clearly upset the coach
Go watch the vision yourself it quite damning really and highlights how Langdon gets lost in the transition of the game so often |
Great analysis, Qld. I have Kayo, so i can rewind too and have a look at the incident you have cited. I remember seeing Bucks really angry after we kicked that goal, and the TV commentators also commented on it, but did not know the reasons.
However, i have noticed that you only subject to such scrutiny Langdon's errors, and never subject to the same scrutiny his brilliant plays, of which there are many examples. While you don't do that, your assessment of Tom Langdon always seems biased, unfair and therefore flawed. |
read his lips. he was yelling, its red time, its red time. I think he meant that we were supposed to stop being in attack mode and man the f$ck up. We must have a system that is designed to strangle the game. He clearly wanted us in that mode and we weren't. I'd be surprised if he was talking about one person, but isn't it hilarious how people can use that to dig at Langdon (apparently because he was on the field).
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