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inxs88 



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:58 pm
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I've always believed team success is a sum of the parts of each players individual success. So lets compare 2018 and 2019 player performances with either a tick, cross, not applicable or the same:

1. Stephenson: X
2. DeGoey: tick
3. Wells: X
4. Grundy: tick
5. Elliott: X (ok he didn't play last year but 2019 ineffective)
6. Goldsack: X
7. Treloar: tick (albeit he still shits me)
8. Langdon: X
9. Murray: X
10. Pendelbury: tick
11. Beams: X (below expectations)
12. Scharenberg: X
13. Adams: X
14. Aish: tick (just)
15. Dunn: X
16. Mayne: same
17. C. Brown: tick
18. Varcoe: X
19. Greenwood: same
20, Reid: X
21. Phillips: X (tough but fair)
22. Steele: same
23. Roughead: tick (great addition)
24. Thomas: X X X
25. Crisp: same
26. Daicos: X
27. W.Kelly: n/a
28. Murphy: X
29. Broomhead: n/a
30. Moore: half tick
31. Appleby: X
32. Hoskin Elliott: X
33. Rupert: same
34. T Brown: n/a
35. Quaynor: n/a
36. Sier: X
37. Maynard: same
38. Howe: same
39. Crocker: X
40. Atu B. n/a
41. Mihocek: same
44. Madgen: X
46. Mason: X

Results:

* 7.5 players improved (hence ticks)
* 19 players gone backwards
* 7 same output
* 5 n/a

Staggering we are still in contention with these figures.

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melliot 



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:07 am
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Guess there is some upside then.
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Fino 



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:26 am
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Treloar no.
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Fino 



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:27 am
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Brown and Pendlebury the only two standout improvers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:24 pm
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Moore is way more than a half-tick, imo, even accounting for injuries. Went to a different level this year and would have been in line for AA if not for the injury. I also think Maynard and Crisp have gotten better. Greenwood has offered something more too; I'd give him at least a half-tick.

I think you may be being a little harsh with some of the crosses, too. You can't say Wells and Elliott have gone backwards (at worst, same as last year). And Goldsack hadn't even played a VFL game at this time last year, so I reckon it's too soon to judge whether he's gone backwards; perhaps we're still waiting to unleash him at the right time. Crocker is breaking even so far too and Daicos is about where he was last year (which, admittedly, is disappointing in its own right).

For me, the clear disappointments have been De Goey (despite a great start to the year), Hoskin-Elliott, Thomas, Scharenberg (if a fair assessment can be made on his two games back), Sier, Varcoe and Cox. Obviously we're missing Langdon, Stephenson and Dunn big time too.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:27 pm
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inxs88 wrote:


1. Stephenson: X TICK
2. DeGoey: tick
4. Grundy: tick
7. Treloar: tick (albeit he still shits me) NAH-stinking it up the last month
10. Pendelbury: tick
14. Aish: tick (just)
16. Mayne: same NAH-stinking it up the last month
17. C. Brown: tick Huuge tick - many wrote him off - now almost top10
21. Phillips: X (tough but fair)
22. Steele: same X (tough but fair)
23. Roughead: tick (great addition)
24. Thomas: X X X
25. Crisp: same big tick
30. Moore: half tick big tick whilst he was blonde
32. Hoskin Elliott: X terrible
37. Maynard: same tick
38. Howe: same X
41. Mihocek: same tick
46. Mason: X
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RudeBoy 



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:00 pm
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The improvers for mine are:

Moore
Brown
Mihocek
Maynard
Crisp
Roughead (better than he was at the Bulldogs)
Treloar
Grundy
Aish
Pendles (had a bad year last year due to injuries)
De Goey (fitter and able to impact the midfield this year)
Elliott (nothing last year)

Those worse off for mine are:

Sidey
Adams (due to injury)
Howe (due to injury)
Cox
WHE
Sier
Langdon (due to injury)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:45 pm
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Can't think of any to be honest. And that's been our problem. Even Grundy had a better year in 2018.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:46 pm
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Not enough!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:16 pm
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Jack Crisp.
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Pies2016 



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:40 pm
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This thread highlights the biggest blue that supporters make every year.
The moment their club picks up a couple mature age players ( in our case, Beams and Roughead ) everyone thinks their club is automatically going to be better.
The harsh reality is, for every player who improves from one season to the next, there is usually another who drops off. The clubs who improve the most, are the ones who manage to buck that trend for a season ( although it usually catches up with them the following year )
Any elite club will tell you that what drives MOST players to perform at their best, is pressure from below. The fear of being dropped is very real, particularly for second and third tier players. Unfortunately, our injuries are a double whammy because not only do we not field close to our best 22 but we also can’t create pressure from below.
Some of those players ( obviously not all ) who have dropped off, would have been better served with a block of games in the VFL just to get their confidence and touch back.
Unfortunately, with no one to replace them, they simply continue to play in the seniors without any “ acquired “ form or confidence.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:35 pm
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Improved is Roughead, JDG, Crisp, Grundy, C Brown, Aish, Moore (before injured again at critical time of year)

Same is Pendles, Maynard, Howe, Mihocek.

The rest have either regressed or been injured/suspended for a lengthy time.

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inxs88 



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:09 am
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Pies2016 wrote:
This thread highlights the biggest blue that supporters make every year.
The moment their club picks up a couple mature age players ( in our case, Beams and Roughead ) everyone thinks their club is automatically going to be better.
The harsh reality is, for every player who improves from one season to the next, there is usually another who drops off. The clubs who improve the most, are the ones who manage to buck that trend for a season ( although it usually catches up with them the following year )
Any elite club will tell you that what drives MOST players to perform at their best, is pressure from below. The fear of being dropped is very real, particularly for second and third tier players. Unfortunately, our injuries are a double whammy because not only do we not field close to our best 22 but we also can’t create pressure from below.
Some of those players ( obviously not all ) who have dropped off, would have been better served with a block of games in the VFL just to get their confidence and touch back.
Unfortunately, with no one to replace them, they simply continue to play in the seniors without any “ acquired “ form or confidence.


so you agree?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:43 am
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^^^

I come at ranking SOME of the players output from a slightly different angle.
I don’t have an expectation of “ second tier “ footballers improving year on year.
That’s why they are remembered as reasonable footballers who, because of their consistency, squeezed the best out of themselves throughout their career.
Every club has them and at Collingwood, Phillips is the classic example. Phillips isn’t overly well skilled and never will be but he is an endurance beast and wills himself to more contests than most. Not sure how he improves any further. I don’t think he is the type to have further improvement in him. I’m just thankful his output is similar to last year.
Clubs are always asking for improvement from their players, that’s the footy departments job but realistically, it ain’t that easy across a list of forty plus players.

We also have to expect that at around 30, players are going to experience some drop off. Not sure we can keep asking our senior players to maintain their output heading towards their mid 30s.

The bulk of my post was designed to be a part explanation as to why there could be some drop off in individuals. Injuries not only have a profound impact on those who aren’t on the ground but also those who are on it.

Your rankings are fine. Who am I to disagree with a well measured opinion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:49 pm
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Callum Brown: gives us pace , some sausage rolls, hard at it.

Stevo: before he stuffed up was killing it.

IQ: in a short time has shown a lot for a kid. Given our back line some run.

Pendlebury: Has still been our great general

Greenwood: Can show he can play down back very well , was the difference against the swans when they were coming.

Roughead: Has been Our defensive lynch pin.

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