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think positive
Side By Side
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yeah nah i just want the cats to finally come to their bitter end, i never discount them .... i hope they get smashed! i hope its a hard fought bitter fight til the siren! _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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Bucks5
Nicky D - Parting the red sea
Joined: 23 Mar 2002
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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010 Location: Living rent free
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I suspect that if the real same, comes back clean, he'll probably get a reduced penalty - maybe 12 months rather than 4 years.
If the actual sample is positive to anything, then 4 years. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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think positive
Side By Side
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He should get a life ban
How did he manage that with someone watching him? _________________ You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either! |
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tbaker
Joined: 02 Jul 2018 Location: Q19 Southern Stand MCG
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^ as much as we're elated that it's happened to one of our rivals (and not our own), he only deserves a life ban if the pure sample comes back positive. Otherwise he's clean and just handed himself a massive penalty (even if it's only 12 mths) needlessly.
From other media reports, it seems he may have taken an illicit substance after match day, and because the test wasn't on match day he would've walked away with just a slap on the wrist (i.e. no sanction, unlike Murray who was tested on match day with an illicit substance). So, he panicked and ends up worse off than if he'd just had the test come back with "illicit but not performance enhancing"
source: https://www.sen.com.au/news/2019/09/12/riolis-state-of-panic-led-to-sample-substitution/ _________________ I find your lack of faith disturbing |
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Mr Miyagi
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You don't mess with your urine sample unless you have something to hide. |
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tbaker
Joined: 02 Jul 2018 Location: Q19 Southern Stand MCG
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Mr Miyagi wrote: | You don't mess with your urine sample unless you have something to hide. |
True - but in his case what he had to hide may have earned him no sanction at all (i.e. if it was an illicit substance - not performance enhancing - and it wasn't detected on match day) _________________ I find your lack of faith disturbing |
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005 Location: In flagrante delicto
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tbaker wrote: | Mr Miyagi wrote: | You don't mess with your urine sample unless you have something to hide. |
True - but in his case what he had to hide may have earned him no sanction at all (i.e. if it was an illicit substance - not performance enhancing - and it wasn't detected on match day) |
Correct. Really dumb thing to do, even if he had illicit drugs in his system it wasn't a match day test so he wouldn't even get a strike under the policy
If he'd been taking PED's at training, different situation. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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ANNODAM
Rebel Heart Tour - The Forum, Los Angeles 27/10/2015.
Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Location: Eltham, VIC.
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Bastards!
I hope they get rolled! _________________ WE WERE ROBBED, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, RIGHT IN FRONT OF MEEE!
N.Y METS, N.Y GIANTS, PENRITH PANTHERS & HOBART HURRICANES FAN.
WE ALL LOOK GOOD AT TRAINING, IT'S THE MATCHES THAT COUNT! |
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Clifton Hill-Billy
Joined: 29 Sep 2011 Location: 3068----> 3076
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I think there's a compelling argument that it was a PED he was trying to hide given the slap on the wrist he would have been given if was an illicit drug. Fact is that he blatantly deceived and therefore should be given the maximum penalty regardless of what the sample shows, otherwise you are incentivising this reprehensible behaviour _________________ "Hey Ma get off the dang roof!" |
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Woods
Joined: 21 Aug 2013 Location: Melbourne
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Former ASADA CEO Richard Ings was on SEN this morning explaining the charge, the urine sample collecting process, when we might know more detail, and the sanction that applies.
Audio podcast (8 mins): https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=425110 |
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David
I dare you to try
Joined: 27 Jul 2003 Location: Andromeda
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How bizarre. Not sure if he's seen Withnail & I too many times...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94islUdCLaE
The weird thing about the energy drink allegation is that everyone's talking about how he could have thought he'd get away with it if an ASADA employee was standing there watching him. But what if that wasn't the case? Clearly, testing would immediately demonstrate that it wasn't urine, wouldn't it? _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Mr Miyagi
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Herald-Sun specifically states a urine sample wasn't his. Plenty of examples of how to do a switcheroo from other sports. Even our own Dane Swan told a few tales about his 5am wake up calls, didn't he?
A radio caller said there are now question marks on the WC Eagles, they're all very big bodies and must have an amazing gym training regime (a bit like the Cats were, and then Essendon when Bomber Thompson moved there). Just as we copped our fair whack thanks to Thomas and Keefe and then Murray, it's fair enough. Wouldn't be the first time at WC! |
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What'sinaname
Joined: 29 May 2010 Location: Living rent free
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think positive wrote: | He should get a life ban
How did he manage that with someone watching him? |
The person watching did exactly that...watch and noted it down. They don't say anything or interfere or remind players what to do. |
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Mr Miyagi
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So if they suspect a switcheroo is happening, they ignore it and just make note of exactly what happened and report it as soon as possible? I always thought they'd speak up and demand the right sample then and there, because who knows what PEDs the cheater is trying to hide.
<Snip - if you can't back it up through mainstream media, don't make the accusation. Thanks, the mods team> |
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