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WE CANNOT, must NOT, lose our next Grand Final!

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lazzadesilva Virgo



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 1:38 pm
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Take_a_Screamer wrote:
In the 1977 drawn Grand Final, brilliant and flamboyant Phil Carman was not there because he got rubbed out in the semi final win. The following week we lost the GF replay. Carman became a hated player (at least in my eyes) and left Collingwood.


I blame Collingwood for not taking the suspension of Carman to court like the Swans and Barry Hall did. If they then requested an adjournment for 2 weeks, Carman would have played, we would have won another flag and a happy Carman could have ended up playing his entire career with us 😢 🙄

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 2:12 pm
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What if?What if?What if? If only...If only...If only

In Grands Finals we've had plenty of bad luck it's true but good teams rise above those adversities. And, we haven't entirely been without good luck. What if the ball had bounced up to Milne instead of away from him in 2010? Would we have won that game? If you're good enough and hold your nerve you can have bad luck and still win.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 4:57 pm
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Far out, if I hear another reference to Carman on this place....you're living in the past man! You're all hung up on this clown named Carmen from the 70's man!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:53 pm
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Thanks for the advice Eric the clown
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:04 am
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90 nice wrote:
I loved 1990 was like a fairytale and like a dream for any budding kid.

And was great to stick it too all of my hawks bandwagoners mates at school who i had to put up with ala 1983,1986,1988 and 1989.

But to be honest Collingwood now to reverse the results of past gfs and win them.


Yeh, I actually watched the 1990 GF few weeks ago, just for the hell of it. Great memory, and one thing I noticed, was the look on our guys faces as they came out onto the arena, pre game, just utter, cold, stark determination, Tony Shaws eyes, like a white pointer shark, if looks could kill ! Nothing was going to stop us that day, nothing. That is the look we must take into the our next GF, just steely total determination, total concentration, take NO shit, on a mission do that, and we can beat anybody. Surprised Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:14 am
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Boot wrote:
When it comes to Grand Final heartbreaks Collingwood are world champions at it. Sad
1964 loss to Melbourne by 4 points after their back pocket player, Neil Crompton kicks the final goal of the match after the legendary run by the Magpie giant Ray Gabelich's dramatic goal put the Magpies three points in front with minutes to play. If only the Collingwood resting rover, Mick Bone had stayed in position rather than try and flood the backline...what could have been.
1966 loss to St.Kilda by 1 point. If only Ted Potter hadn't had his kick smothered for the ball to fall into the hands of St,Kilda's youngster Barry Breen in the hectic last minutes of the game...what could have been.
The loss to Carlton in 1970 after being 44 points up at half time set the legend of Colliwobbles and was a real sliding doors moment for Collingwood and the VFL. If only Tuddy hadn't taken out McKenna with an accidental bump before half time... what could have been!
Similarly the 1977 drawn grand final after being 27 points up at three quarter time. If only Fabulous Phil Carman hadn't charged through Tuck on the boundry in the Qualifying Final... what could have been.
2002 Pebbles Goal that wasn't given. If that goal umpire hadn't made that mistake and given Collingwood the goal... what could have been.
2011 Malthouse leaving an injured Ben Reid on Hawkins when a fit Chris Tarrant was available to do the job...what could have been.
2018 If only the umpire hadn't put the whistle away and awarded Maynard the free kick that everyone saw was there... what could have been.

Lots of heartache amongst those memories, hopefully the current team can rise again to achieve greatness of their own and help ease the heartbreak that Collingwood have endured since 1959.


I hear an feel your pain mate, our beloved Magpies history post 1960, is full of IFFS, BUTS,MAYBES, IF ONLY. yeh, its damn hard, damn hard. Like you, being now a Maggie Veteran, I have real faith and hope in our present team, its perfect, great blend of kids and mid range, and senior guys, our window has just opened. I love our Coach the Fly, hes very tactical, very savvy, intelligent, he oozes confidence and respect, and our Board is all new too, as we have great assistant coaches. yes, its all coming together now. Smile Exclamation

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2023 3:49 am
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Hope springs eternal. Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:10 pm
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Listening to SEN this morning and then Pipes Russell, the discussion circled around recruiting players (e.g Himmelberg) and what would be the difference in getting a side a flag.
Former Collingwood CHF Dermott Brereton weighed in you need a small forward mix of a crumber, pressure and a goalkicker. I think we've got those.
But he said one solitary forward rarely gets it done like Jack / Richmond in 2017.

Now I don't want to tempt fate, but do we think we have the cattle to get the job done if we get to the last week in September?

Using a reference of recent premiership sides, and what they added following a prelim or GF loss, have we brought in enough to get the job done?

GWS (following 2019 loss) : saw Cameron depart.
Geelong (following 2020 loss) : aquired Cameron (2020 Geelong had five members who had been part of at least one of their premiership teams from 2007, 2009 and 2011)
Melbourne : acquired Ben Brown to round out what they had built on when going after May and Lever.
Richmond (following 2018 PF loss) : acquired Lynch (14 of Richmond's 22 players had played in both their 2017 and 2019 premiership teams)

Post the 2018 GF, 5 years later we've 10 players left from that side in our starting 22.
At this stage, aside from the coaching overhaul, the addition of Frampton, Hill, Mitchell and McStay looks like we've made the right calls.
By brining in Lipinski and Mitchell and the drafting in of the Daicos boys, I think we've certainly addressed the inside 50 count deficit that cost us the 2018 flag,
But perhaps the Q that is starting to answer itself is will we continue to go taller and keep McStay, Johnson, Mihocek, Cox? If so, I think the main change to come is what mix of our smal / medium forwards take as we get deep into September action.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:32 pm
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The BIG difference is , too other GF losses, the close ones, is this- THIS TEAM ARE THE CLOSE GAME SPECIALISTS, WE NEVER HAVE HAD THAT BEFORE, IN ANY FINALS OR GRAND FINALS. WE WILL WIN A CLOSE GF, LIKE 2018 NOW, BEYOND DOUBT. THAT is why id be pretty damn confident on GF day.
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K 



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:48 pm
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LaurieHolden wrote:
Listening to SEN this morning and then Pipes Russell, the discussion circled around recruiting players (e.g Himmelberg) and what would be the difference in getting a side a flag.
Former Collingwood CHF Dermott Brereton weighed in you need a small forward mix of a crumber, pressure and a goalkicker. I think we've got those.
But he said one solitary forward rarely gets it done...

This is the question mark Matthew Lloyd put on our flag chances earlier this season: lack of a star key forward.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 6:32 am
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Honestly, this thread needs to die. It’s a relic of the past though understandable since most of us have been through it.

I just think we should embrace the future as nervous and superstitious we might be.

I say we can win this year and next and that will keep me drunk and happy for a decade.

Come join me.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:11 am
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K wrote:
LaurieHolden wrote:
Listening to SEN this morning and then Pipes Russell, the discussion circled around recruiting players (e.g Himmelberg) and what would be the difference in getting a side a flag.
Former Collingwood CHF Dermott Brereton weighed in you need a small forward mix of a crumber, pressure and a goalkicker. I think we've got those.
But he said one solitary forward rarely gets it done...

This is the question mark Matthew Lloyd put on our flag chances earlier this season: lack of a star key forward.


Although some quarters now have Checkers in the mix for AA selection... I know he's not Ablett, Dunstall, Hawkins - BUT... We don't seem to have any issues scoring by whatever means.

Also, it wasn't a lack of a key forward that cost us the 2018 flag or the 2011 flag. It was actually the lack of a brutish key back who was fully fit. I think we have the backline covered this year. I accept Lloyd's comments as a pundit, but respectfully disagree.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 12:48 pm
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Correct piffdog- the injury to Moore meant we were one tall short in 2018, and that killed is in the end
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2023 8:39 pm
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piffdog wrote:
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Although some quarters now have Checkers in the mix for AA selection... I know he's not Ablett, Dunstall, Hawkins - BUT... We don't seem to have any issues scoring by whatever means.
...

Mihocek is def in the mix, though still more likely to miss than not. It'd be great if he got in. Needs a big 2nd half of the season.

BUT... that just makes me think what a great 3rd forward Mihocek would be. Imagine if he only had the 3rd-best defender every week.

Gotta say, though, his finals performances haven't been so good, apart from his game against WC a couple of seasons ago.

A star key forward is way more valuable than a "star" ruckman. Sadly we sold the farm to pay for the latter. And we've only half-fixed that.


piffdog wrote:
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Also, it wasn't a lack of a key forward that cost us the 2018 flag or the 2011 flag. It was actually the lack of a brutish key back who was fully fit. ...

Only need a brutish key back when the oppo has a brutish key forward!!

So that's the same as saying the oppo won flags 'cos they had brutish key forwards! Exclamation
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:09 am
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Piesnchess wrote:
The BIG difference is , too other GF losses, the close ones, is this- THIS TEAM ARE THE CLOSE GAME SPECIALISTS, WE NEVER HAVE HAD THAT BEFORE, IN ANY FINALS OR GRAND FINALS. WE WILL WIN A CLOSE GF, LIKE 2018 NOW, BEYOND DOUBT. THAT is why id be pretty damn confident on GF day.

Don't want to be a downer, but we came up short twice (less than a goal) in the Qualifying and Prelim Final last year despite all our close H&A wins.

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