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David
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5 from the wing on debut wrote: | I wouldn't want to be sharing office space with the Nicks corporate headquarters when the Israelis find out what is occurring on this forum! |
Hey, we’ve got people posting literal IDF propaganda verbatim, so I think we’ll be okay! _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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stui magpie
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watt price tully
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stui magpie
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David
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What, so they should invite more balloons laden with fuel and bombs to continue to set ablaze forests, buildings and people? Pathetic David. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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David
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Strangely it is possible to condemn violent retaliations without endorsing provocation. (Having said that, this does not seem to have, as I presumed when I posted that, so far resulted in another round of attacks on civilians. But I don’t hold high hopes that the new government will pursue a fundamentally different approach.) _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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watt price tully
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David wrote: | Strangely it is possible to condemn violent retaliations without endorsing provocation. (Having said that, this does not seem to have, as I presumed when I posted that, so far resulted in another round of attacks on civilians. But I don’t hold high hopes that the new government will pursue a fundamentally different approach.) |
There were no deliberate attacks on civilians David. That is a false premise.
However: https://www.timesofisrael.com/photos-show-hamas-tunnel-dug-underneath-courtyard-of-unwra-school-in-gaza/amp/ _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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David
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I didn't say "deliberate", although I think the kindest adjective you could use is "callous and indifferent". The fact is that unarmed civilians were injured (2000) and killed (128, over half of them children) by these latest military strikes, and that this has occurred in every major Israeli military campaign in Gaza (not to mention the destruction of crucial infrastructure, which sometimes does indeed appear to be deliberate). Any attempt to semantically explain that away is just sophistry. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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watt price tully
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David wrote: | I didn't say "deliberate", although I think the kindest adjective you could use is "callous and indifferent". The fact is that unarmed civilians were injured (2000) and killed (128, over half of them children) by these latest military strikes, and that this has occurred in every major Israeli military campaign in Gaza (not to mention the destruction of crucial infrastructure, which sometimes does indeed appear to be deliberate). Any attempt to semantically explain that away is just sophistry. |
This isn't semantics. no one wants any civilian to be harmed but apparently it's OK for Israeli civilians to be harmed.
The numbers were way over inflated by Hamas. The fact that the population of Gaza is over 70% minors then statistically the numbers are quite low.
Secondly, some of the so called minors were older adolescents and part of the military wing.
Remember Israel retaliated to missiles. There were over 4000 missiles fired. I thought Israel's reaction was moderate. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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stui magpie
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We're on the same page here. It's a circle of violence designed by a psychopathic marketing expert designed to elicit media sympathy for those in Gaza and simultaneous condemnation of Israel at the expense of civilian casualties. And it works. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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David
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watt price tully wrote: | David wrote: | I didn't say "deliberate", although I think the kindest adjective you could use is "callous and indifferent". The fact is that unarmed civilians were injured (2000) and killed (128, over half of them children) by these latest military strikes, and that this has occurred in every major Israeli military campaign in Gaza (not to mention the destruction of crucial infrastructure, which sometimes does indeed appear to be deliberate). Any attempt to semantically explain that away is just sophistry. |
This isn't semantics. no one wants any civilian to be harmed but apparently it's OK for Israeli civilians to be harmed.
The numbers were way over inflated by Hamas. The fact that the population of Gaza is over 70% minors then statistically the numbers are quite low.
Secondly, some of the so called minors were older adolescents and part of the military wing.
Remember Israel retaliated to missiles. There were over 4000 missiles fired. I thought Israel's reaction was moderate. |
Firstly, these are official UN statistics. Secondly, I don't know how to dignify the two following paragraphs but it's appalling to me that anyone would suggest the numbers of underage deaths is "quite low" because of population demographics or justifiable because some minors are trained fighters (as are nearly all Israeli adults, for what it's worth ...). I know it's a fraught topic, but we don't need to throw our moral compass out the window just because the Israeli government did years ago.
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We're on the same page here. It's a circle of violence designed by a psychopathic marketing expert designed to elicit media sympathy for those in Gaza and simultaneous condemnation of Israel at the expense of civilian casualties. And it works. |
If you're only seeing the propaganda coming from one side, then I don't think you're really seeing anything close to the full picture. There's an aggressive marketing push on both sides to say the least, and plenty of resources devoted to making you think that Palestinians are the sole antagonists and that Israel is merely defending itself. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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What'sinaname
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This has escalated to horrific levels overnight _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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stui magpie
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Goodbye Gaza. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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What'sinaname
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Yep. Attacking military targets is one thing. Capturing 50 hostages and parading a dead German tourist is another. _________________ Fighting against the objectification of woman. |
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