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John Wren 
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| 3rd degree wrote: | | IF we can shut down Vince and step on Gartlett's foot early on in the game. His pace is a worry for our backman , Sinclair, Varcoe or Aish could go with him I doubt Toovey can catch him in a foot race |
mrp has done the work for you with regards to bernard.
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Lazza
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| Flashman wrote: | | No one wants Bucks to fail |
Totally disagree and you will know this as a fact if you have been reading the pages of posts here. There ARE a few Buckley haters here who desperately want him to fail. Lets be honest guys. 
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Bob Sugar
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| Lazza wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | No one wants Bucks to fail |
Totally disagree and you will know this as a fact if you have been reading the pages of posts here. There ARE a few Buckley haters here who desperately want him to fail. Lets be honest guys. |
Rubbish.
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| Lazza wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | No one wants Bucks to fail |
Totally disagree and you will know this as a fact if you have been reading the pages of posts here. There ARE a few Buckley haters here who desperately want him to fail. Lets be honest guys. |
No one wants him to fail. We'd all love it if we were winning and I'm sure most if not all Pies supporters would agree he's a champion. What we hate is losing, particularly losing consistently. And whoever is in charge at the time will be under intense scrutiny, rightly so.
Or are you saying there are people on here who have a personal vendetta against him?
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Tezza23
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| Its just illogical to have pot shots at people while saying its only round 3 and too early to jump ship. Last year we only beat one side of note - being North Melbourne. That win took a 10 goal 3rd quarter and we still almost managed to lose barring some last quarter heroics from Swanny and Elliot. Our wins were against the cellar dwellers of the competition. while he had some honourable defeats, we had some horrible losses including Melb and Ess, and we just fell in against Car second time around. This season is a continuation of last year and that is what is worrying supporters. we have mostly played rubbish football this year. While I hope we can turn it around, there is nothing apart from my blind faith to justify any confidence. We have been a poor side for a number of years and there does not appear to be progress to change that. If Buckley cannot improve us as a side then he simply must be moved on. By the end of this year he will have coached us for 5 years. If he cannot improve the side over a three year period then he doesn't deserve to be the coach. Its not as if he has any proven past experience as a coach to draw upon. |
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DT
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| themonk wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | Lazza wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | When you try to be cute when insulting people you look like a massive egotistic dickhead. |
Then I'll try to be even cuter because not even your parents or family can ever win with your type of totally illogical and plainly misguided thinking.
What other people think of me is none of my business.........................
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Explain how it's misguided or illogical thinking?
The team isn't performing to expectations. The coach is in his 5th year and the returns have gone backwards steadily. Our game plan is a dogs breakfast that sees the same mistakes being made week in and out and the promised turnaround (Buckley said publicly in 2014 that we'd be better in 2015 and 16) hasn't looked like eventuating.
Surely even you must be getting worried? Or are you as complacent and gullible as the others who think Buckley is working to a grand plan that will suddenly click in the magic year of 2017-18-19-20.....based on blind hope and optimism and very scant evidence.
I want Buckley to succeed as much as anyone but I'm sorry to say I just don't think he's the man for the job and the side will need to dramatically change it's performance (and I'm not talking wins/losses although some wins would be good) to convince me otherwise.
The questions being asked and the pressure being placed on Buckley and the club by supporters are entirely justified and not a sign of disloyalty or ingratitude like some try to portray it as. |
Great post Flashman!
I hate seeing Bucks in this position because deep down we all want him to mastermind a new dynasty with him leading the way as coach but I think most of us have been reasonably patient in the last few years and have given him the benefit of the doubt when so many would have been facing mounting criticism a long time ago, but if things continue like this I can't see how this can go on for much longer.
After five seasons, I can't see a visible game plan and one that the players are buying into and believe in. After early failings, we gave him the chance to build his own squad to his own liking and I was happy to support that move towards building a squad even though other supporters thought we dismantled our team far too early and prematurely, but how much more lower do we have to fall before it sinks in with the majority that this isn't working.
I want this man to turn it around and become a champion coach for us but blind faith and optimism has got us nowhere in recent times and the evidence before me suggests we're not turning this around under Bucks. This man has had everything dictated around his needs and the excuses that are being dished out recently are no longer stacking up and if we continue to deteriorate more supporters will change their opinions of him.
I think our list is decent and with proper development and tweaking in the next few years we could see some success but the squad just looks clueless on the playing field, the players lack confidence and they don't seem to know where they're supposed to position themselves and the poor skill level just perpetuates these problems further.
Watching a replay on TV doesn't do it justice of how poor our structures are and why St.Kilda had a field day against us. They were a 40-point side better than us and we're lucky we didn't play someone like the Hawks or Bulldogs on Saturday because it would have been ugly to say the least. I feel like we're only better than three sides in the competition that's Essendon, Carlton and Brisbane so that's how much we've fallen in my view. We have a more talented list than about 40% of the competition but our game plan (or lack of it) stinks and it reflects on how we play.
I'm growing tired that any criticism directed towards the coach and his assistants is depicted as a sign that you're impatient or you're a '"perceptive fellow"' as some would say and some (mainly on social media) go as far as saying you should follow another club. It's immature, petty and borders on someone who's run out of arguments in being able to defend the coach. For what it's worth, so many this pre-season were tipping us to push the top four but I thought just making the finals or narrowly missing out would be good enough but even that now looks like a remote dream.
I've sat through a 10-goal loss against Carlton in early 2012, sat through a 10-goal loss against Fremantle in the first round of 2014, sat through a 10-goal loss against Essendon in 2014, sat through a 10-goal loss against Brisbane in 2014, sat through a 10-goal loss against Hawthorn in the final round of 2014, sat through a bad loss to Melbourne last year, sat through a 15-goal loss against Richmond, I travelled to Sydney in round 1 and sat through a 15-goal loss and I've defended the coach on numerous occasions especially after these matches but after Saturday my faith in him turning things around is gone, but I'll still rock him up next Sunday and support the side against Melbourne.
We may indeed beat the likes of Melbourne, Essendon, Carlton and Brisbane (fingers crossed) in the next few weeks and it'll provide short-term relief for Bucks and the supporters, but long-term I still think the inevitable will transpire so it's really a matter of when rather than if. I want to be wrong because I $£$%^%%$ love Bucks (he was my favourite player as a young kid) but how much longer can this go on especially if there's no improvement in the near future? |
Nailed it, I experienced the same feeling on Saturday & yes we all hope he can turn it around and that's still possible. However for the sake of the club we have to start preparing for an alternative. |
Yes. I was optimistic preseason but am now looking at the shattered ruins wondering what the hell has happened. Time to get a new coach
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What'sinaname 
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| Lazza wrote: | | Flashman wrote: | | No one wants Bucks to fail |
Totally disagree and you will know this as a fact if you have been reading the pages of posts here. There ARE a few Buckley haters here who desperately want him to fail. Lets be honest guys. |
This is where you just don't get it Lazza.
There would be only a very small number of posters who wanted Buckley to fail. Go back to when he was appointed to see who wanted him to fail from the outset.
What you are reading here is posters who have come to the realisation that Buckley has failed. |
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SteveH67
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Location: Canberra, Australia
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Bernie Vince missing for Dees helps us
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Jezza 
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| SteveH67 wrote: | | Bernie Vince missing for Dees helps us |
It's a big out as he caused us big problems last year when we played them.
I'm relieved that Sidebottom and Varcoe returning will provide us with some much needed class that has been lacking recently.
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| Flashman wrote: | | jackcass wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | jackcass wrote: |
Out: Grundy In: Witts - Grundy showed some improvement v Saints but our midfield needs better service. I'd play both but Melbourne don't seem to play anyone to support Gawn.
Out: Moore In: White - Moore has been very poor across 3 games and anyone who doesn't think White can offer at least as much and viable ruck support is delusional.
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I disagree with Grundy out for Witts. Witts missed 2 Games.
White is a Backman and not eve a VFL Player. We are not going that Bad |
Hardly surprising you'd think that Dave but I'm left wondering just how badly your favorites need to play before you'd consider dropping them. |
And what has Witts done to deserve to be promoted?
He's missed two with injury after an 8 possession 21 hitout game against the Swans where he was flogged by Tippett and played like the slow ineffectual log that he is.
Grundy is averaging twice as many possessions in his two games and about as many hitouts and at least can make a contest and have an influence on the game.
Stupid selection if it happens. Witts isn't a senior footballers arsehole. |
Witts was the form ruckman and despite a poor performance in which he split the webbing on his hand in the 2nd quarter, earned his position as number 1 ruckman. Are you also advocating that Varcoe and Sidebottom return via the VFL.
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jackcass
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| doriswilgus wrote: | | Witts didn't even play in the V.F.L yesterday,so i'd say it'd be highly unlikely he'd be given a recall anyway.I'd like to see Cox been given a go.At least he can win hit outs by the sound of it. |
He's hardly likely to have lost fitness with a hand injury. |
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jackcass
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| 3rd degree wrote: | | IF we can shut down Vince and step on Gartlett's foot early on in the game. His pace is a worry for our backman , Sinclair, Varcoe or Aish could go with him I doubt Toovey can catch him in a foot race |
Vince likely to be getting some time off apparently. |
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Culprit
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| Vincent lucky to get a week. |
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
Location: The 18
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| Tezza23 wrote: | | Its just illogical to have pot shots at people while saying its only round 3 and too early to jump ship. Last year we only beat one side of note - being North Melbourne. That win took a 10 goal 3rd quarter and we still almost managed to lose barring some last quarter heroics from Swanny and Elliot. Our wins were against the cellar dwellers of the competition. while he had some honourable defeats, we had some horrible losses including Melb and Ess, and we just fell in against Car second time around. This season is a continuation of last year and that is what is worrying supporters. we have mostly played rubbish football this year. While I hope we can turn it around, there is nothing apart from my blind faith to justify any confidence. We have been a poor side for a number of years and there does not appear to be progress to change that. If Buckley cannot improve us as a side then he simply must be moved on. By the end of this year he will have coached us for 5 years. If he cannot improve the side over a three year period then he doesn't deserve to be the coach. Its not as if he has any proven past experience as a coach to draw upon. |
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doriswilgus
Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Location: the great southern land
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| jackcass wrote: | | doriswilgus wrote: | | Witts didn't even play in the V.F.L yesterday,so i'd say it'd be highly unlikely he'd be given a recall anyway.I'd like to see Cox been given a go.At least he can win hit outs by the sound of it. |
He's hardly likely to have lost fitness with a hand injury. |
Yes,but he's missed three weeks now,and Buckley never picks players who have missed that much football. I don't think he's going to start now,especially with someone as out of form as Witts. |
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