Belief

[michael]

hehe i used to go to a catholic church before i was saved.. the priest was a drunk

[Birdy]

[Donny]

Original sin, eh ?? Possibly the most obscene, disgusting and manipulative concept foisted upon humans by people in power.

Sinners by nature ? What rubbish !

The two or three in this thread who keep dogmatically quoting the bible - a tome of extremely dubious origins to say the least - miss the point of faith and belief completely.

Give me a healthy sceptic like CQ anyday or someone like Michael who worships a cow but has a simple Christian faith which includes charm and a sense of humour.

[michael]

haha

you make me sound like a hindu

[Pa Marmo]

[eddies bank balance]

I hardly see how you can label it 'rubbish' if you hardly know anything about it. Name a few things about the Bible that are rubbish then.[/quote]

so adam and eve were a breed of all races??? if not, please explain !

and exactley how big was noahs ark to carry all races? please explain

and incest is why we are all here? incest is a sin, is it not?

c'mon bible quoter's, explain in detail, i bet u cannot.

p.s i have seen a u.f.o ... watched it for 2hrs .... very interesting and this is truth.

[Donny]

Nuxta, your belief/faith is, by your own admission, based on a book.

A book that has different versions, a book that has been changed on the whims of kings and priests, widely interpreted/misinterpreted, written from fokelore and hearsay ... need I go on ?

Take from it what you will. That's your choice. One can be inspired as much by a fairytale as by a story of fact. Whatever works for you is fine, be it the truth or not.

Belief - noun: a vague idea in which some confidence is placed. Dogma - noun: a religious doctrine that is proclaimed as true without proof.

Just look at the history of recent decades/centuries. How many blatant lies we have been told for political expediency ? History is written and re-written by the winners of wars and people in power.

I have no problems with your beliefs or that you assert the bible is your ultimate authority but I do have problems with you putting it forward to other people as historically factual.

[Birdy]

Eddies bank balance, I would love to write more detailed answers to your simple questions however I'm trying to study for exams. Maybe Nuxta can help you out. I suggest you have a look at this website:

http://www.bible.org/docs/qa/default.asp?categoryid=9

[michael]

Eddies Bank Balance..

The bible states that adam and eve were created by God, the bible never says they are the only people he created..although it doesnt say he created more either.

In Genesis 4, the bible tells of how Adam and Eve have two children, Cain and Abel. Cain kills Abel, and then goes and builds a city..and lays with his wife.

At this point the bible has not said that Adam and Eve had had more children - and so we can assume that God had created more men and women to populate the earth.

onto your next question..

Noahs ark was roughtly 152 mtrs long, 25mtrs wide, and 15mtrs high..

"And God said unto Noah... Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt though make in the ark, and thou shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of... the length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. A window shalt thou make in the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side therof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it." (Gen. 6:14-16)

Noah's Ark did not carry all races, it carried 8 people, and a whole bunch of animals (do some research, and with the size of the boat it is quite feasable that the animals fitted on the ark)

The whole purpose of the flood was to destroy all the wicked people (everyone besides Noah and his family)

and for your last question...see my first answer Also take into consideration the Tower of Babel, where the Lord seperated people into different races, and scatterered them over the earth...

[Pa Marmo]

[CQ]

"In actual fact you are partialy correct, they did in fact contain all the genetic information required to make up all the peoples of the world."

funny that cimpanzees have like 95% the same DNA as us, wouldnt be because us and them evolved from the one species a long time ago would be?

"But it is not truth to the rest of us as we didnt see it, what if you made it up."

same thing applies to the first person who wrote the bible.

what if me and 5 friends said we saw a UFO? would it be more believable then?

btw i actually do believe in 'aliens' though i dont believe they come here or anything, look how big the solar system/universe is, as if we would be the only planet with life in all that space.

[Eunos]

nuxta wrote;
"But it is not truth to the rest of us as we didnt see it"

Hahahaha...I know CQ has already pointed it out, but how can I resist?

The bible is a 2000 year old "Mad Magazine" that too many people took as serious.
How many people have died in the name of "God", even though he/she/it are the same person/creature?

[Pa Marmo]

[Pa Marmo]

1 Corinthians 15
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

Think again Tess my friend

[Dr Alf Andrews]

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