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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| MagpieBat wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Stupied wrote: | Adams had a stinker. Looks like his confidence in his kicking is shot. Did some good things too, but jeez, you could tell he was always in two minds about dropping it on the boot  |
Is his disposal that bad in the .ressies, usually ? If not, it is probably just nerves, and the best thing we could do is back the kid and give hima. Chance to feel he belongs, without tightening up every time he has it. He can get it, which is good. If his disposal is that bad in the Maggos., then we have a real problem... Jeez, it wasn't good. |
His disposal last week in the reserves was chalk and cheese compared to tonight's effort. |
But more akin to his disposal by foot the week before in the VFL. I think he'll be fine.... eventually. Can certainly find it and goes where angels fear to tread. |
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mattys123
Joined: 06 Jul 2009
Location: Narre Warren, VIC
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I liked that we were ruthless in that last quarter, in fact it was the best football we played all night.
About time we smashed a team and didn't just let them get some cheap scores at the end of the game.
2 more wins by decent margins in the next 2 weeks will set us up for the Hawks game quite well. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| Cam wrote: | | Josh Thomas should never be dropped again. |
Yep, recaptured last years form. |
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jackcass
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| neil wrote: | Thank you St Vomit for playing Cloke into some form
Beams is becoming a legend
Thomas has grabbed his spot with both hands
Hope Maxy is ok
Sidey what were you thinking?
Witts should stay our number one ruckman let Grundy develop in the VFL
(Comment made to cause DTM's head to explode)
Pity about the injuries
Elliot did really well
St Vomit are shite at the moment so it was a grab the percentage and get some form type of night |
The Grundy - Adams combo will rip the VFL apart...
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WarrenerraW
Joined: 18 Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne
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| Haha love it when we smash the filth that is st buggery. can't stand em, they get what they deserve - nothing. |
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Kosh
Joined: 25 Apr 2013
Location: Carlton, Melbourne
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| jackcass wrote: | | MagpieBat wrote: | | Mugwump wrote: | | Stupied wrote: | | Adams had a stinker. Looks like his confidence in his kicking is shot. Did some good things too, but jeez, you could tell he was always in two minds about dropping it on the boot |
Is his disposal that bad in the .ressies, usually ? If not, it is probably just nerves, and the best thing we could do is back the kid and give hima. Chance to feel he belongs, without tightening up every time he has it. He can get it, which is good. If his disposal is that bad in the Maggos., then we have a real problem... Jeez, it wasn't good. |
His disposal last week in the reserves was chalk and cheese compared to tonight's effort. |
But more akin to his disposal by foot the week before in the VFL. I think he'll be fine.... eventually. Can certainly find it and goes where angels fear to tread. |
I agree with jackcass. My view is that Adams will be OK. He is till developing. What he brings to the team is that he can get his own ball and that he is a gun when it comes to contested possessions. Additionally he reads the game well for a young footballer as he keeps getting into dangerous positions. You can't teach that, but the club can work on his kicking. |
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simon tonna
Joined: 24 Oct 2013
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looked like circle work out there. not a superior game in any sense
excluding the last. i fear we need to be at least 8/10 goals better than
that against a side so depleted as them or more importantly 5/6 less scoring shots to the opposition.
in saying that we looked much better than we have been of late and its because of j white as the second ruck/rover. he played his role really well. the inclusions also made a difference, they seemed fresher, faster and cleaner with ball in hand especially of whom they replaced.
this season is turning out to be a real eye opener with surprise results and misfortune to others and we are right in the mix of it. bucks is finding the right mix on the field but still the players picked need to perform or at least show there potential and thats why adams should not be dropped. most of his possession were from good positioning but different style to say beams and pendles, quite unique. rookie mistakes were made by him
but thats all.
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stui magpie 
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Joined: 03 May 2005
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Thomas had 6 clangers and went at 62% efficiency.
Adams had 6 clangers and went at 61% efficiency.
Yet JT played a brilliant game (agreed, thought it was good) and Adams butchered the ball and should be dropped for bad disposal.
Huh??  
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AN_Inkling
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^^Adams only had 7 kicks, Thomas had 18.
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jackcass
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| stui magpie wrote: | Thomas had 6 clangers and went at 62% efficiency.
Adams had 6 clangers and went at 61% efficiency.
Yet JT played a brilliant game (agreed, thought it was good) and Adams butchered the ball and should be dropped for bad disposal.
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Thomas hit the scoreboard....
And it wasn't just the disposal. Watch the replay of the goal Stevens got just before half time. Adams was standing side by side with Lenny Hayes and decided not to go with him when he ran forward. Hayes became the loose man who kicked the ball to the top of the square contest.
I'm not suggesting Adams should be dropped. It was an 86 point win so hard to justify anyone going out. Some of his work was fantastic, particularly in close, disposal by hand was very good, just missed 2 very getable goals from about 30 meters and missed some targets by foot. He's certainly not the only one who missed targets. |
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Beast
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| stui magpie wrote: | Thomas had 6 clangers and went at 62% efficiency.
Adams had 6 clangers and went at 61% efficiency.
Yet JT played a brilliant game (agreed, thought it was good) and Adams butchered the ball and should be dropped for bad disposal.
Huh?? |
Zac Dawson's disposal efficiency for this year stands at 79%
Garry Ablett's at 68%
Stats are rubbish, trust your eyes. |
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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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| jackcass wrote: |
I'm not suggesting Adams should be dropped. It was an 86 point win so hard to justify anyone going out. |
An 86 point win against a struggling team. We look to have rested some players, so it's very possible we will make changes for next week depending on how much we rate Melbourne (they're definitely better than the Saints).
If Ball's available Adams is a likely out, otherwise he should play, he is our second best main extractor.
Injury and suspension could make other selection decisions simple. If Swan and Grundy are to return, they could replace Sidebottom and Maxwell.
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Beast
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | jackcass wrote: |
I'm not suggesting Adams should be dropped. It was an 86 point win so hard to justify anyone going out. |
An 86 point win against a struggling team. We look to have rested some players, so it's very possible we will make changes for next week depending on how much we rate Melbourne (they're definitely better than the Saints).
If Ball's available Adams is a likely out, otherwise he should play, he is our second best main extractor.
Injury and suspension could make other selection decisions simple. If Swan and Grundy are to return, they could replace Sidebottom and Maxwell. |
No he isn't.
Maybe in couple of years but right now Beams, Pendles are clearly better than him at it and JT is at least equal. |
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RudeBoy
Joined: 28 Nov 2005
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Any 86 point win is a very good win, regardless of who it's against.
The main thing that I got out of the game was that we should only play one ruckman with White as the back up ruckman. It makes us much more flexible and dynamic. White's ruck work was very good and he has superb athleticism, enabling him to cover a lot of ground and get to contests. Depending on form, we should play Grundy with White or Witts with White.
Thomas played his best game yet, so should stay in the team.
Seedsman was terrific, despite his lack of conditioning. Having him and Young (who played his best game yet - just in time me thinks!) running and kicking long out of defence gives us real attacking fire power.
Despite his many Nickster critics, I thought Adams played a good game. All his 18 possessions were hard won and he threw his body in fearlessly at contest after contest. Sure, he shanked a few shots on goal, but i reckon this is more nerves than anything else. A couple of his low, fast passes were superb, so he can kick well. A few more senior games under his belt and he'll improve no end imo.
Despite his 4 goals, Fasolo needs to improve his tackling and forward pressure. Still, he adds a bit of X factor to our list, which is a good thing.
Finally, it was good to see Cloke leading out hard and fast and kicking well for goal.
With Maxy and Sidey out for a few weeks, I'd say the only changes for next week should be Grundy and Swan back in. I'd leave Ball out and give Adams a couple of weeks to build his confidence. |
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AN_Inkling
Joined: 06 Oct 2007
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| Beast wrote: | | AN_Inkling wrote: | | jackcass wrote: |
I'm not suggesting Adams should be dropped. It was an 86 point win so hard to justify anyone going out. |
An 86 point win against a struggling team. We look to have rested some players, so it's very possible we will make changes for next week depending on how much we rate Melbourne (they're definitely better than the Saints).
If Ball's available Adams is a likely out, otherwise he should play, he is our second best main extractor.
Injury and suspension could make other selection decisions simple. If Swan and Grundy are to return, they could replace Sidebottom and Maxwell. |
No he isn't.
Maybe in couple of years but right now Beams, Pendles are clearly better than him at it and JT is at least equal. |
They are better at winning clearances, yes. But do we want them playing the Luke Ball role as our number 1 extractor? Certainly not Pendlebury, he's too important elsewhere, and doesn't provide the crash and bash required. Similar for Beams though not to the same degree.
This role is for someone who can take the physical punishment of consistently being on the bottom of packs. They won't get much outside ball or much clear running opportunities. We can play our classier players in the role but it's not ideal. We have two specialists in Ball and Adams who are well suited to the position. Others don't quite have the necessary strength or are better suited to more well-rounded roles.
If Ball's back I'd play him. If not, I'd keep Adams in the team.
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