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Jezza 
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David 
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | think positive wrote: | Nailed it ‘WE’ have a problem, they are just poor old drug users that need our sympathy.
Get tough on them. They don’t need long sentences, just real ones, no tv, no mattress, break a few rocks a day, make a number plate, no smokes, no cokeof any kind, actually make em drink through a wired shut jaw. Harsh? They will live.
4 cops won’t |
Exactly. Rather than focus on the problem, we give them injecting rooms and want to decriminalise marijuana!! |
I think that is addressing the problem, but perhaps that’s a discussion for another thread.
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| David wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | think positive wrote: | Nailed it ‘WE’ have a problem, they are just poor old drug users that need our sympathy.
Get tough on them. They don’t need long sentences, just real ones, no tv, no mattress, break a few rocks a day, make a number plate, no smokes, no cokeof any kind, actually make em drink through a wired shut jaw. Harsh? They will live.
4 cops won’t |
Exactly. Rather than focus on the problem, we give them injecting rooms and want to decriminalise marijuana!! |
I think that is addressing the problem, but perhaps that’s a discussion for another thread. |
i thought so too, but obviously its not fixing the problem, no accountability, they just dont care. You help them, but not only do they take and run, they kill innocent people.
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David
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| ^ You shouldn’t generalise like that. Some people are receptive to help, some aren’t. It’s the same case for mental health services and drug rehab. But that’s not a reason to give up on those services; rather, every step forward and success story is worth celebrating, and unfortunately you’re never going to stop everyone falling through the cracks. |
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stui magpie 
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The thing with Ice, apart from being bloody hard to quit, if you do succeed you can still have long term brain chemistry impacts.
Don't blame the addicts for being addicted, although do hold them accountable for their actions while using, blame the manufacturers and distributors
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| David wrote: | | ^ You shouldn’t generalise like that. Some people are receptive to help, some aren’t. It’s the same case for mental health services and drug rehab. But that’s not a reason to give up on those services; rather, every step forward and success story is worth celebrating, and unfortunately you’re never going to stop everyone falling through the cracks. |
how about when they take 4 cops down the crack (sic) with them?
celebrate the success stories? the ones who get their heads right and get normal again? well done pat on the back, funny people dont like participation trophies, but you want to celebrate this? reminds me of when my youngest was in about grade 3, and something happened between a feral kid whos parents clearly didnt give a shit about him, he had so many anger problems, but this day he took it out on one of juniors friends, and when discussing the result, the mum of the girl who defended herself asked why her kid was in trouble and the naughty kid not so much .she was told "because hes special". She replied "special? and my kids not special?" i cant remember the whole rant but i really had to stop myself from applauding. Here, here's a cookie for not jumping in a car high and killing people, go you!
Instead, give em a pat on the back, and say welcome back to normal average life. Get busy son. Its not always easy for any of us.
its not good enough.
dont blame the addicts for being addicts Stui? then whos fault is it? they took the first sniff or what ever knowing the risks. far too many innocent people are dying because of them. Is it sad if they take themselves out? its always sad when someone dies, someone is left behind heartbroken. But they know the risks, everyone knows the risks. Personal responsibility doesnt come from 5 min in the naughty corner. its time to get tough.
Im aware how common and how easy it is to be thinking "it could have been my child, brother, sister, father, friend who took the risk". i get that. it could have been my nephew in the past.
but im sitting here thinking thank $$%^%%$ God it wasnt my sister run down by a drugged up truckie, not my sister begging for help whilst the other drugged up prick worried about his $$%^%%$ car.
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stui magpie
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Jo, where is any value in blaming people for using Ice? That's like blaming everyone who drinks for drink drivers killing people. Blame the behaviour and allow no excuses for whatever substance they had in their system
Whatever malfunction Dick Pusey has, he can't blame Ice for his behaviour.
The truck driver will be interesting. Long haul truckies were the original meth users, before it was fashionable, back before H&S, log books and mandatory rest breaks, using what they termed "Yippee Beans" to drive from Brisbane to Melbourne in the shortest time possible. Kids generally get unto Ice because it's cheap and the scum dealers target areas to push it, mature age adults generally get into it as a stimulant when they're burning the candle at both ends
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Wokko 
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| stui magpie wrote: | Jo, where is any value in blaming people for using Ice? That's like blaming everyone who drinks for drink drivers killing people. Blame the behaviour and allow no excuses for whatever substance they had in their system
Whatever malfunction Dick Pusey has, he can't blame Ice for his behaviour.
The truck driver will be interesting. Long haul truckies were the original meth users, before it was fashionable, back before H&S, log books and mandatory rest breaks, using what they termed "Yippee Beans" to drive from Brisbane to Melbourne in the shortest time possible. Kids generally get unto Ice because it's cheap and the scum dealers target areas to push it, mature age adults generally get into it as a stimulant when they're burning the candle at both ends |
National Socialist German soldiers are the original meth users.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/pervitin-nazi-drugs |
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stui magpie
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OK, I should have said "In Australia". 
Some of the shit that SEAL teams and their equivalents have to use in case of emergency would really shake shit up if it got lose in the wild.
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| stui magpie wrote: | Jo, where is any value in blaming people for using Ice? That's like blaming everyone who drinks for drink drivers killing people. Blame the behaviour and allow no excuses for whatever substance they had in their system
Whatever malfunction Dick Pusey has, he can't blame Ice for his behaviour.
The truck driver will be interesting. Long haul truckies were the original meth users, before it was fashionable, back before H&S, log books and mandatory rest breaks, using what they termed "Yippee Beans" to drive from Brisbane to Melbourne in the shortest time possible. Kids generally get unto Ice because it's cheap and the scum dealers target areas to push it, mature age adults generally get into it as a stimulant when they're burning the candle at both ends |
Blame? i dont care who takes ice and destroys themselves, never said i did, i do care when they hurt others, or they drive a car..full stop. same as drunk drivers.
I love my nephew, some of the things he did on drugs are unforgivable. thankfully he didnt kill anyone. but ill never forget the stuff he did
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David
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| think positive wrote: | celebrate the success stories? the ones who get their heads right and get normal again? well done pat on the back, funny people dont like participation trophies, but you want to celebrate this? reminds me of when my youngest was in about grade 3, and something happened between a feral kid whos parents clearly didnt give a shit about him, he had so many anger problems, but this day he took it out on one of juniors friends, and when discussing the result, the mum of the girl who defended herself asked why her kid was in trouble and the naughty kid not so much .she was told "because hes special". She replied "special? and my kids not special?" i cant remember the whole rant but i really had to stop myself from applauding. Here, here's a cookie for not jumping in a car high and killing people, go you!
Instead, give em a pat on the back, and say welcome back to normal average life. Get busy son. Its not always easy for any of us.
its not good enough. |
I think you know as well as I do that it’s a massive achievement to get off such an addictive and debilitating drug and one that shouldn’t be downplayed. I’m not saying they should get Australian of the Year for it, but of course we should do everything we can to support and facilitate that journey.
I know you’re shaken up by this, and I don’t want to come across as too harsh in response. But what you’re saying here reminds me of something I heard a while back about the teenager who finally comes to the dinner table after locking themselves in their bedroom every night for three months. If your reaction, instead of welcoming them to the table and expressing happiness that they’re there, is "so you’ve finally decided to join us" – and we all know parents like that – then you’re choosing to punish and humiliate them for taking a step forward, which is obviously the exact worst thing to do in that scenario. And, you know, say what you like about Christianity, but ol’ mate JC nailed this exact scenario in the parable of the prodigal son:
| Quote: | “There was a man who had two sons. The younger one said to his father, ‘Father, give me my share of the estate.’ So he divided his property between them.
“Not long after that, the younger son got together all he had, set off for a distant country and there squandered his wealth in wild living. After he had spent everything, there was a severe famine in that whole country, and he began to be in need. So he went and hired himself out to a citizen of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. He longed to fill his stomach with the pods that the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything.
“When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ So he got up and went to his father.
“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.
“The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
“But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.
“Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’
“The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’
“‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’” |
I’m no Christian, but that’s a pretty fair description of what love is and does. And as Christianity continues to disappear from our society and this stuff becomes more and more obscure, I hope that our society finds a way to value these lessons again. Because it’ll be very easy for us to be hard, cold and cruel in a world framed around desert and punishment.
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jesus was wrong. The good kid now feels less important. I’m not saying he should feel more important, but he sure as hell should not feel less. He can have the robe back, but he has to earn it first, and just walking in the door gets him a coat, but not a robe.
We give our nephew work where we can, but we do the same for his brother. No less.
When do we stop giving people excuses for their bad behaviour and hold them accountable
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Yes, well like many of his other fine numbers, Jesus didn't do the definitive version. Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUjN6ZN00MI
And here's the 1968 cover that announced a new direction for the Stones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=humDgJ-SmHI
The parable is about forgiveness and acceptance. A little bit more around here would go a long way. A little less Old Testament justice would be a fine thing. |
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quoting the Rolling Stones in defence of drug use...thats a Saul Goodman defence right there!
"Don’t drink and drive. But if you do, call me"
i was a big fan of the hit man with a heart;
“You know what happened. The question is, can you live with it?” Mike Ehrmantraut
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| How is my post in defence of drug use. Drug use is abhorrent to me. I just think there’s way too much putting the boot in, here. Two people did the wrong thing and will pay a price for it in due course. |
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