Chinese imperialism and future Australian sovereignty

[Morrigu]

^ one of the reasons we are such passionate supporters of Animals Asia is the approach that their founder Jill Robinson has taken. She understands the culture and has worked tirelessly with TCM practitioners to have animal products replaced with plant alternatives ( which they agreed to in Vietnam) and they have a fantastic plant/herb garden at the sanctuary which they give to local schools and they plant them and educate their parents and grandparents who are often uneducated and illiterate and they have school groups visit the sanctuary ( it’s not open for general visitors It’s not a zoo) and they take their education on the road. They liaise and collaborate with the Governments of Vietnam and China - understanding the nuances and as a result the Communist Vietnamese Government have outlawed bear bile farming and all bears currently kept in the most horrific cruel conditions will have to be surrended to sanctuaries!

BUT not China despite the wonderful work and awareness and education that AA and other organisations are trying their best to disseminate and achieve, they won’t listen and learn, they will not budge - why not? They just don’t give a fock IMO they could change but they will not and I hate them YES hate them for that! There isn’t time for generational change for so many of these species that they are driving to extinction - they will be gone for good and all to satisfy selfish quackery

[pietillidie]

^That sounds like like my kind of organisation.

All I can say in encouragement is that sometimes you think people aren't listening, but things can turn fast. A turn of events here, an internet outrage there, an embarrassment over there, and before you know it your views are being taken up. Keep the idea in the forefront of people's minds, and a moment might arise sooner than expected.

Here's a good example of culture shift: before the pandemic, people swore they could never work at home; a few months later, many of the same people say they're never going back to the office.

[Dave The Man]

Be good not to deal with a Country that is Trying to take over the World

[David]

^ Would be nice for a change, wouldn't it.

[Pies4shaw]

Yes, remind me - which country is that?

[David]

I think Dave might be referring to the UK, P4S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY

(also, in before "but the Spanish were even worse!!!!")

[Jezza]

Andrews not backing down on the belt and road agreement he signed up to in October 2018.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/andrews-flags-further-announcements-on-belt-and-road-road-map-20200527-p54wv9.html

[Wokko]

Chairman Dan's already got China in so deep there's no pulling out.

[Wokko]

Dear Leader didn't bother consulting DFAT before bending the knee to China and signing us up to be their debt slaves.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/flagrantly-reckless-victoria-signed-china-infrastructure-deal-without-consulting-dfat-20200526-p54wfn.html?fbclid=IwAR144uotXV_gsvScWH1q-tc5IYCQMDFokL4iuxlOiJ1zw4HrspaLk4UGfdA

[stui magpie]

I don't see this ending well. Even Federal Labor is disowning him saying they wouldn't be signing up to it.

The whole thing really is, as it says in the article, debt trap diplomacy, and when you're doing that with a country as far in debt as China............

[Jezza]

The Australian was wrong to publish that Andrews received approval from DFAT to undertake the BRI.

Response to The Australian Article of 29 May, ‘Andrews given nod by DFAT on China’

[Morrigu]

A good start IF it is enforced...... lots more to do China and time is of the essence!

China removes dogs from the approved livestock list.

We are beyond excited to learn today that China’s new National Catalogue of Livestock and Poultry Genetic Resources was announced this morning, with dogs not included on the list.

It is extremely encouraging to see this landmark decision that reflects the growing concern for animal welfare in China, following on as it has from the laws passed earlier this year in Shenzhen and Zhuhai banning the consumption of cats and dogs.

Although the legislation is not an outright ban on consumption, the regulation bans the selling of live dogs and dog meat for food. This means all the dog restaurants, markets and slaughterhouses countrywide selling dogs for food are now illegal, sending a message to the industry that dog meat consumption is not supported by the government .
The protection also extends to cats who are not and have never been on the Catalogue of Livestock, reflecting their status and importance as a companion animal too.

https://www.animalsasia.org/au/media/news/news-archive/china-removes-dogs-from-the-approved-livestock-list.html

[pietillidie]

^Well done. Things do eventually change

I should add that when I was last in South Korea I spotted a few dog restaurants in back streets, even though they're illegal. I would assume these will die out with the elderly.

Here's a technical question for you. Do you see any difference between properly farmed dogs and, say, properly farmed pigs? I notice you used the term 'companion animal'.

[Morrigu]

[stui magpie]

Is it too late to just going back to dropping a nuke on Bejing? A large one?

I read an article today that up around 70% of people in the US, UK and AUS blame China for Covid19 and will actively look to not buy Chinese stuff.

#fuckchina