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| What are your thoughts on nude swimming? |
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| David wrote: | I presume it was only made a public event because they wanted to encourage as many women to come as possible—not make it seem like a club with a secret password. It was like a private event for Muslim women, but more inclusive. Anyhow, many public events at public places have dress codes. What's the problem? It's a total storm in a teacup.
(I do find it ironic that people are getting outraged about this in this thread, of all places. "This is Australia, we should be allowed to wear as little as we like!" Except at nearly every public beach in the country.) |
How about this part of it?
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Ratepayers stung up to $45,000 to install curtains at a public pool so Muslim women can have privacy during female-only segregated exercise classes.
The City of Monash has won an exemption from equal opportunity laws to run the sessions outside normal opening hours. The council says the privacy screen is needed for “cultural reasons”. It follows moves by other councils to introduce women-only sessions for the Muslim community, such as Greater Dandenong asking a tribunal to approve a ban on uncovered shoulders and thighs for those attending a family event at a pool.
Ross Buscemi, director of refugee charity group the New Hope Foundation lobbied for the sessions for Muslim women. They had sought separate classes for cultural reasons and curtains or blinds were needed to protect their privacy because the centre had glass walls.
But Ratepayers Victoria president Jack Davis said it was disgraceful for councils to subsidise programs that segregated people.
“People come to Australia because it’s a better place,” he said.
“So then you should become Australian and abide by the customs of Australia, not change Australia to suit your customs from another country.”
Monash councillors accepted that the women couldn’t use the pool in normal hours for cultural and religious reasons. They were told the special classes would address issues such as “obesity, social isolation and lack of physical strength”.
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| Morrigu wrote: | | David wrote: | ^ Surprisingly, not much less of a problem with board shorts!
| think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | | You think devout Muslims are impressed by tiny bikinis and speedos? I don't know how they cope with it—mutter to themselves about the end of civilisation, politely look the other way or accept it as part of the bargain of living in modern Western society—but, somehow, they do. Perhaps we could learn something from them. |
So why the ban? Why does anyone need to cover up? |
In this case, the event in question is a private swimming night for Muslim women. They've booked out the pool for those two hours on one night of the year, and opted for their own dress code. That's all. Every other day of the year, if they go to the pool or the beach, they wear their own swimmers and put up with whatever anyone else is wearing. |
Not it was not - it was a public event
“The applicant intends this to be an event where people of all races and religions and ages may attend, use the Centre’s facilities and socialise together,” VCAT notes.
Quite separate from the private swimming nights!
And it's complete bollocks and should be strongly resisted!!! |
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Being asked to cover "shoulders and thighs for a family event". Not a "Muslim" event.
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| David wrote: | ^ And that's exactly the view that some cultural relativists might take—it's their country, and we should tolerate it accordingly. The difference is, of course, that some things should not be tolerated, and some people—me included—think that institutionalised murder is one of them.
I guess the rule is, does this phenomenon hurt anyone else? Public nudity on the beach doesn't; capital punishment most certainly does. |
What about the mental effect of seeing naked bodies running around? And yes I'm thinking of the children. Next you'll want that sick movie scene played out in the middle of st kinda beach "because it's art".
This may come as a shock Dave, but no one wants to see your dangly bits! Probably not even the missus at the moment!
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| 1061 wrote: | | David wrote: | ^ And that's exactly the view that some cultural relativists might take—it's their country, and we should tolerate it accordingly. The difference is, of course, that some things should not be tolerated, and some people—me included—think that institutionalised murder is one of them.
I guess the rule is, does this phenomenon hurt anyone else? Public nudity on the beach doesn't; capital punishment most certainly does. |
I'm not sure if the propaganda is true or not about people of the Islam faith seeing another person not their partner Nude, but if it is then seeing a stranger naked would hurt them spiritually. |
Someone had an avatar on nicks last year that hurt be spiritually every time I saw it! So much overflow, ugh
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| think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | ^ And that's exactly the view that some cultural relativists might take—it's their country, and we should tolerate it accordingly. The difference is, of course, that some things should not be tolerated, and some people—me included—think that institutionalised murder is one of them.
I guess the rule is, does this phenomenon hurt anyone else? Public nudity on the beach doesn't; capital punishment most certainly does. |
What about the mental effect of seeing naked bodies running around? And yes I'm thinking of the children. Next you'll want that sick movie scene played out in the middle of st kinda beach "because it's art".
This may come as a shock Dave, but no one wants to see your dangly bits! Probably not even the missus at the moment! |
The mental effect? Likely far healthier and more positive than seeing billboards of homogenous women in underwear.
Are you really upset about the idea of kids seeing naked people? It seems pretty prudish and old-fashioned to me. What do you think they see in sex ed classes? Most parenting books advocate a non-taboo approach to the human body as normal and healthy.
As for "that sick movie scene" (which one?), I've already pointed out that my suggestion would not in any way make indecent public sexual behaviour permitted. It's a completely different issue.
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How anyone who fetishises and avidly consumes horrible violence and brutality on TV can object to seeing a perfectly natural sex organ is utterly beyond me. And I don't care what size it is or how stiff it is. Under no circumstances can it possibly be 1/100th as bad as the brutality and violence we see every night on the idiot box.
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| David wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | David wrote: | ^ And that's exactly the view that some cultural relativists might take—it's their country, and we should tolerate it accordingly. The difference is, of course, that some things should not be tolerated, and some people—me included—think that institutionalised murder is one of them.
I guess the rule is, does this phenomenon hurt anyone else? Public nudity on the beach doesn't; capital punishment most certainly does. |
What about the mental effect of seeing naked bodies running around? And yes I'm thinking of the children. Next you'll want that sick movie scene played out in the middle of st kinda beach "because it's art".
This may come as a shock Dave, but no one wants to see your dangly bits! Probably not even the missus at the moment! |
The mental effect? Likely far healthier and more positive than seeing billboards of homogenous women in underwear.
Are you really upset about the idea of kids seeing naked people? It seems pretty prudish and old-fashioned to me. What do you think they see in sex ed classes?
As for "that sick movie scene" (which one?), I've already pointed out that my suggestion would not in any way make indecent public sexual behaviour permitted. It's a completely different issue. |
Is it?
How do you stop guys getting a hard on?
And I don't like those billboards.
And my kids didn't get sex ed til they were in high school!
No I'm not a prude, but it's nice to keep something's private. Used to piss me off big time when mums had boys, who were of the age where they were well aware of the differences between girls and boys, in the change rooms at swimming lessons. They would sit and gawk.
You seem obsessed with nakedness, and pornography, and perverts, and pedophiles, so your asking if I'm a prude, are you a pervert?
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Interesting. So you vigorously oppose a swimming pool pandering to a minority of prudes by requesting modest attire for a short cultural event, but you support public beaches pandering to a minority of prudes every day of the year by requesting modest attire. Some cognitive dissonance there, methinks.
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| David wrote: | | Interesting. So you vigorously oppose a swimming pool pandering to a minority of prudes by requesting modest attire for a short cultural event, but you support public beaches pandering to a minority of prudes every day of the year by requesting modest attire. Some cognitive dissonance there, methinks. |
seriously, grow up
im hardly in the minority, do a poll, on both subjects. go on I dare you.
the funny thing is, if you took your attitude to all things naked, sexual, sexual assault, etc, to a full on muslim culture, it might just see you publicly paraded, 50 lashes, stoned, and finally, beheaded with a nice blunt razor!!
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oh look there already is a poll for one of em, oooooh look again, I win!
the 2 "all beaches" is probably you and Nick the perve man!!
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Just out of curiosity David how exactly have you come to the conclusion that the majority support nude beaches and therefore we are pandering to a minority by enforcing clothing?
Out of curiosity I did a straw poll at work with quite a few nurses, doctors, admin staff of both genders and a range of ages - only got one "maybe" the rest were nope!!
All were happy to have designated nudey beaches for those that way inclined.
Personally couldn't give a rats - I would only ever considering going to the beach if there were buggar all people there anyway.
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Jo, In this highly representative poll of 15 people, the majority think there should at least be more clothing-optional beaches than there are now.
This is quite a theoretical poll, though. What I'd like to know is what percentage of people would be offended or upset if they saw a random naked person at the beach. I would be very surprised if the majority said yes. |
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| David wrote: | Jo, In this highly representative poll of 15 people, the majority think there should at least be more clothing-optional beaches than there are now.
This is quite a theoretical poll, though. What I'd like to know is what percentage of people would be offended or upset if they saw a random naked person at the beach. I would be very surprised if the majority said yes. |
Ask em how many beaches they want? You'd probably get "at least one where I don't get half killed trying to get my unfit self onto the sand" and It's still a long way from ALL beaches. And well done on totally ignoring Morrigu's post! So much for balanced journalism.
By the way, I'd be offended if my young kids were there, and tell them to put some $Ł$%^%%$ clothes on, or go to an appropriate place.
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| Tannin wrote: | | How anyone who fetishises and avidly consumes horrible violence and brutality on TV can object to seeing a perfectly natural sex organ is utterly beyond me. And I don't care what size it is or how stiff it is. Under no circumstances can it possibly be 1/100th as bad as the brutality and violence we see every night on the idiot box. |
I don't subject others to my fetish, (I'll keep the rock to myself thanks!) thats the difference
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| think positive wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | How anyone who fetishises and avidly consumes horrible violence and brutality on TV can object to seeing a perfectly natural sex organ is utterly beyond me. And I don't care what size it is or how stiff it is. Under no circumstances can it possibly be 1/100th as bad as the brutality and violence we see every night on the idiot box. |
I don't subject others to my fetish |
But you do. Everyone who has a TV set is subjected to your violence fetish. We can't avoid it. What's worse, we are all forced to live with a massively increased risk of violent assault and injury because all the kids growing up are steeped in the violence and brutality you so enjoy. Looked at any crime reports lately?
Now you could say "don't watch TV", but that doesn't protect us from the violent culture people like you nurture and encourage with this poisonously sick pro-violence propaganda you so like to watch. And in any case, it is far easier to avoid going to the beach - lots of people practically never go anyway - than it is to avoid violence on TV and at the movies and on the Internet and at the video shop and on the wall while you are waiting for your pizza, and every other damn place you go.
Support violence on TV if you wish. Oppose public nudity if you wish. But you cannot possibly do both, not unless you are content to be hopelessly unfair and illogical and a mere thought-free creature of your upbringing without the ability to reason your way past things you unthinkingly accepted when you were 12 and never got around to questioning. We all start off believing things which turn out to be nonsense. The ability to subject these things to rational, sensible reconsideration and, if need be, change our beliefs to fit the facts is what sets civilised humans apart from savages.
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