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| What are your thoughts on nude swimming? |
| It should be allowed at all beaches |
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| It shouldn't be allowed at all beaches, but there should be more places where it's acceptable |
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| The current state of affairs is fine |
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| It shouldn't be allowed on any public beach |
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think positive 
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"Turns out to be a load of nonsense"
Sums up your post
Use the off button. The kid block. A little parental discretion. I didn't take my kids to places where they were subjected to violence I could not avoid. I didn't take them to beaches where people walk around naked. I'd like to keep that choice.
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| Tannin wrote: | | We all start off believing things which turn out to be nonsense. |
Many still believe or just make their own rules on what is to be considered nonsense 
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| think positive wrote: | | No I'm not a prude, but it's nice to keep something's private. Used to piss me off big time when mums had boys, who were of the age where they were well aware of the differences between girls and boys, in the change rooms at swimming lessons. They would sit and gawk. |
I see it as a shame that that healthy curiosity is recast as 'gawking', as if they're already sexual perverts and not simply little boys learning about the human body.
I can guarantee you this, though: one way to turn them into perverts is to fetishise the human body, make it taboo, and only let them see it in a sexualised context. Sadly, that is more or less what our society does.
| think positive wrote: | | You seem obsessed with nakedness, and pornography, and perverts, and pedophiles, so your asking if I'm a prude, are you a pervert? |
And this, right here, is why this issue is so rarely discussed. How absurd that the completely natural and healthy act of swimming nakedas human beings mostly did for millennia, until bathing suits were inventedshould be considered a practice for perverts, along with any advocacy of it.
Nude swimming; pornography; sexual disorder: if you can't tell which is the odd one out, I'm not the pervert here.
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| David wrote: | I can guarantee you this, though: one way to turn them into perverts is to fetishise the human body, make it taboo, and only let them see it in a sexualised context. Sadly, that is more or less what our society does.
Nude swimming; pornography; sexual disorder: if you can't tell which is the odd one out, I'm not the pervert here. |
Straight to the heart of the matter, David. Quality post.
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stui magpie 
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| Tannin wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | How anyone who fetishises and avidly consumes horrible violence and brutality on TV can object to seeing a perfectly natural sex organ is utterly beyond me. And I don't care what size it is or how stiff it is. Under no circumstances can it possibly be 1/100th as bad as the brutality and violence we see every night on the idiot box. |
I don't subject others to my fetish |
But you do. Everyone who has a TV set is subjected to your violence fetish. We can't avoid it. What's worse, we are all forced to live with a massively increased risk of violent assault and injury because all the kids growing up are steeped in the violence and brutality you so enjoy. Looked at any crime reports lately?
Now you could say "don't watch TV", but that doesn't protect us from the violent culture people like you nurture and encourage with this poisonously sick pro-violence propaganda you so like to watch. And in any case, it is far easier to avoid going to the beach - lots of people practically never go anyway - than it is to avoid violence on TV and at the movies and on the Internet and at the video shop and on the wall while you are waiting for your pizza, and every other damn place you go.
Support violence on TV if you wish. Oppose public nudity if you wish. But you cannot possibly do both, not unless you are content to be hopelessly unfair and illogical and a mere thought-free creature of your upbringing without the ability to reason your way past things you unthinkingly accepted when you were 12 and never got around to questioning. We all start off believing things which turn out to be nonsense. The ability to subject these things to rational, sensible reconsideration and, if need be, change our beliefs to fit the facts is what sets civilised humans apart from savages. |
Spot on.
I blame watching the Coyote and Road runner, and Daffy, Bugs and Elmer for turning me into the serial killer I am today.
Not to mention watching those westerns growing up with all those people being shot. John Wayne killed more injuns than Union Carbide as they say.
Then there was the 80's with blokes like Sly, Arnie, Chuck, Steve, Rob etc making all these ultraviolent movies.
And the difference between the Roadrunner and the Coyote and most chuck Norris movies (apart from the fact that the coyote is better at delivering dialogue) is bugger all. Both contained cartoon violence.
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stui magpie
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| Tannin wrote: | | David wrote: | I can guarantee you this, though: one way to turn them into perverts is to fetishise the human body, make it taboo, and only let them see it in a sexualised context. Sadly, that is more or less what our society does.
Nude swimming; pornography; sexual disorder: if you can't tell which is the odd one out, I'm not the pervert here. |
Straight to the heart of the matter, David. Quality post. |
Quality crap.
Do current laws fetishise the human body? Because all TP is talking about is maintaining the status quo.
If the answer to Q1 is "yes" where are all the perverts? Why isn't everybody a miserable little perv hiding in the bushes looking for a hint of a nipple?
FFS.
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David
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Firstly, it's not our law per se but our culture that fetishises the human form. Think about it: in what contexts do you tend to see naked bodies in the media and in day-to-day life? What kind of bodies are they? It's clear to me that our society massively fetishises the human form, something that simply doesn't happen in, say, traditional South American or Central African societies where very few if any clothes are worn.
As for whether that turns us into perverts, I'd wager it does. Voyeurism is only one of many forms of perversion (and a common one at that). I'd argue that many sexual kinks and dysfunctions can be sourced to our society's treatment of the human body and human sexuality.
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Some would say not many but all. I suspect that it is not in fact all, only the majority.
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Why do I get so many double posts on this toy computer? I could use a better one but this one is good for sitting outside with. Humdinger of a thunderstorm an hour or so ago! Great to sit under the tin porch roof listening to it crashing down - louder the better! - and watching the rain pelting.
All over now. I suppose we got 20mm or so. Could use 120mm.
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swoop42 
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It's bad enough subjecting myself to my own nudity let alone unleashing it on the general public.
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think positive
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| David wrote: | | think positive wrote: | | No I'm not a prude, but it's nice to keep something's private. Used to piss me off big time when mums had boys, who were of the age where they were well aware of the differences between girls and boys, in the change rooms at swimming lessons. They would sit and gawk. |
I see it as a shame that that healthy curiosity is recast as 'gawking', as if they're already sexual perverts and not simply little boys learning about the human body.
I can guarantee you this, though: one way to turn them into perverts is to fetishise the human body, make it taboo, and only let them see it in a sexualised context. Sadly, that is more or less what our society does.
| think positive wrote: | | You seem obsessed with nakedness, and pornography, and perverts, and pedophiles, so your asking if I'm a prude, are you a pervert? |
And this, right here, is why this issue is so rarely discussed. How absurd that the completely natural and healthy act of swimming nakedas human beings mostly did for millennia, until bathing suits were inventedshould be considered a practice for perverts, along with any advocacy of it.
Nude swimming; pornography; sexual disorder: if you can't tell which is the odd one out, I'm not the pervert here. |
Your twisting my words out of context but I really can't be $%$ed arguing, we've been over it too many times.
Last word is, it wasn't your daughter the little $%$ers were leering at, not looking at curiously, leering at, and until it is, you won't get it. Quite frankly some of the comments you made in the past about poor old pedophiles and they just can't help it, their free will is compromised, God help your son if he ever needs you. You think your so liberal, with all the "art film" crap, but it's just glorified pornography. Yes porn has its place, in the bedroom between consenting adults, but it doesn't need to be IN MY $$%^%%$ FACE, ON BILLBOARDS INTO TOWN, OR ON THE BEACH. mate I don't think your some special kind of being because your so 'open' to everything from beastiality to kiddy porn, I just think your perverted.
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| swoop42 wrote: | | It's bad enough subjecting myself to my own nudity let alone unleashing it on the general public. |
LMAO!
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Your twisting my words out of context but I really can't be $%$ed arguing, we've been over it too many times. |
It can be a little bother some after a while can't it.  |
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| 1061 wrote: | | think positive wrote: |
Your twisting my words out of context but I really can't be $%$ed arguing, we've been over it too many times. |
It can be a little bother some after a while can't it. |
Just a tad. And then it gets moderated out. 
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| David wrote: | | It's clear to me that our society massively fetishises the human form, something that simply doesn't happen in, say, traditional South American or Central African societies where very few if any clothes are worn.. |
That is misleading - yes in many of these societies very few clothes are worn and much of this is related to the environment they live in - it's bloody hot and therefore impractical!
However in many of these societies there are areas of the body that are considered taboo to be displayed in public including bits of the body that we in Western society would go WTF at.
As an example we spent some time with the Himba people in Namibia - they don't consider breasts sexual at all so the women wear no covering.
But rest assured they have their fetishes - for the Himba women it was their hair.
Oh and you still haven't explained how you arrived at the conclusion (and posted it as if it is fact) that the majority want the status quo changed and that we are pandering to the minority prudes????
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