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AN_Inkling
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| The Seedsmeister wrote: | Carlton are the world's biggest cheats and have no principles. What's to stop them from keeping pick 2 and telling us to stick it once Kruezer has been signed?
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I like this one 
And to others: no more high value rookies. Need to be thinking about the now.
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Domesticated_Ape 
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| AN_Inkling wrote: | | The Seedsmeister wrote: | Carlton are the world's biggest cheats and have no principles. What's to stop them from keeping pick 2 and telling us to stick it once Kruezer has been signed?
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I like this one
And to others: no more high value rookies. Need to be thinking about the now. |
If they're ready to play in 2016, then I don't see the issue. Another De Goey for example, would be fantastic. |
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AN_Inkling
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^^Maybe if we're selecting a mid, but even De Goey didn't have a great impact this year. A mid will at least start contributing in years 2 and 3. I'd be very wary of using a high value pick on a tall though.
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Domesticated_Ape
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De Goey will play more midfield next year, possibly leaving a spot open at half forward. I reckon a kid like Parish could play 15 games or so in that position next season. He's very quick and can kick goals. We recruited Freeman for a reason and so if he goes, we need someone similar to come in.
Francis would take a bit longer to develop, but maybe 8-10 games wouldn't be beyond him. He's got as much upside as anyone in the draft IMO. Also we need a ranga.  |
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The General 
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Yeah, but doing this would de-value our pick 7 to pick 8 too. We'd effectivley be shooting ourselves, although slightly, in the foot. |
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Bob Sugar
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| The General wrote: | | Yeah, but doing this would de-value our pick 7 to pick 8 too. We'd effectivley be shooting ourselves, although slightly, in the foot. |
But the scum would end up with that pick anyway.
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Pies2016
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| Defender wrote: | Something Barrett said on radio got me to thinking, he said we're brokering a deal with Carlton to help land us AT, so anyway I was racking my brain thinking how could or would Carlton possibly help us, then it hit me, we'll be helping each other, here's how.
Kruz isn't worth 600k a year, but for the scum to get band 1 compo that's what he'll have to get, so, we give him the 600kpa triggering band 1 for the scum (pick 2), we then trade our pick 8 and a couple of fringe players for that pick 2, we then send pick 2 to GWS for AT.
Might sound like Carlton are being shafted, but, if they didn't agree to it they would be stuck with a second rounder for Kruz, everyone's a winner. |
Defender, I so much want to embrace your cunning plan but here is my problem -
1 ) not even Carlton could be that stupid to trade picks # 1 OR #2 unless it was well and truly overs, partic with Silvagni being there and the first two picks being talls. Having said that, we can only hope.
2) surely if we do bring Kruezer into the club, it would mean that Witts is extremely likely to be moved on elsewhere ( either to GWS or part of a three way that sends a pick to GWS from Witts new club as part of the Treloar deal) This would then mean that #2 isn't required for the Treloar deal.
3) why would any club knowingly pay a player more than they think he is worth. Its a recipe for team disharmony. Whatever the club pay him, will be because they believe he is worth it and $ 600,000 is only newspaper talk at moment.
Like yourself, its only my opinion but I think there are just to many holes in that scenario for it to all unfold like that. It is Damian Barrett, remember.
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Bob Sugar
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Location: Benalla
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | Defender wrote: | Something Barrett said on radio got me to thinking, he said we're brokering a deal with Carlton to help land us AT, so anyway I was racking my brain thinking how could or would Carlton possibly help us, then it hit me, we'll be helping each other, here's how.
Kruz isn't worth 600k a year, but for the scum to get band 1 compo that's what he'll have to get, so, we give him the 600kpa triggering band 1 for the scum (pick 2), we then trade our pick 8 and a couple of fringe players for that pick 2, we then send pick 2 to GWS for AT.
Might sound like Carlton are being shafted, but, if they didn't agree to it they would be stuck with a second rounder for Kruz, everyone's a winner. |
Defender, I so much want to embrace your cunning plan but here is my problem -
1 ) not even Carlton could be that stupid to trade picks # 1 and #2 unless it was well and truly overs, partic with Silvagni being there and the first two picks being talls. Having said that, we can only hope.
2) surely if we do bring Kruezer into the club, it would mean that Witts is extremely likely to be moved on elsewhere ( either to GWS or part of a three way that sends a pick to GWS from Witts new club as part of the Treloar deal) This would then mean that #2 isn't required for the Treloar deal.
3) why would any club knowingly pay a player more than they think he is worth. Its a recipe for team disharmony.
Like yourself, its only my opinion but I think there are just to many holes in that scenario for it to all unfold like that. It is Damian Barrett, remember. |
The beauty of the plan is the scum won't get pick 2 without us, and they know it, it's a win-win situation, sure they could screw us for the shits and giggles but Im doubting it, it wouldn't be good business.
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John Wren 
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i can't see sos giving up pick 2.
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Bob Sugar
Joined: 11 Feb 2010
Location: Benalla
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | Defender wrote: | Something Barrett said on radio got me to thinking, he said we're brokering a deal with Carlton to help land us AT, so anyway I was racking my brain thinking how could or would Carlton possibly help us, then it hit me, we'll be helping each other, here's how.
Kruz isn't worth 600k a year, but for the scum to get band 1 compo that's what he'll have to get, so, we give him the 600kpa triggering band 1 for the scum (pick 2), we then trade our pick 8 and a couple of fringe players for that pick 2, we then send pick 2 to GWS for AT.
Might sound like Carlton are being shafted, but, if they didn't agree to it they would be stuck with a second rounder for Kruz, everyone's a winner. |
Defender, I so much want to embrace your cunning plan but here is my problem -
1 ) not even Carlton could be that stupid to trade picks # 1 OR #2 unless it was well and truly overs, partic with Silvagni being there and the first two picks being talls. Having said that, we can only hope.
2) surely if we do bring Kruezer into the club, it would mean that Witts is extremely likely to be moved on elsewhere ( either to GWS or part of a three way that sends a pick to GWS from Witts new club as part of the Treloar deal) This would then mean that #2 isn't required for the Treloar deal.
3) why would any club knowingly pay a player more than they think he is worth. Its a recipe for team disharmony. Whatever the club pay him, will be because they believe he is worth it and $ 600,000 is only newspaper talk at moment.
Like yourself, its only my opinion but I think there are just to many holes in that scenario for it to all unfold like that. It is Damian Barrett, remember. |
If the deal goes ahead we'll be after more than AT from GWS, we would probably package up pick 2-nexts years first rounder and Witts for AT and another young GWS gun.
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swoop42
Whatcha gonna do when he comes for you?
Joined: 02 Aug 2008
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| John Wren wrote: | | i can't see sos giving up pick 2. |
I guess Defenders point is they wont get it unless we offer Kreuzer enough coin to activate band 1.
As it stands they have pick 1.
Under his plan they end up with 1 and 7. |
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Pies2016
Joined: 12 Sep 2014
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| swoop42 wrote: | | John Wren wrote: | | i can't see sos giving up pick 2. |
I guess Defenders point is they wont get it unless we offer Kreuzer enough coin to activate band 1.
As it stands they have pick 1.
Under his plan they end up with 1 and 7. |
I blame the Lions for " losing " the Schache Cup. What were they thinking in the last round.
O M G , Does that mean we could have been adding Luenberger onto our list at $ 600,000 a year if the lions had lost that game ??
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jackcass 
Joined: 01 Mar 2005
Location: Bendigo
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| The General wrote: | | Yeah, but doing this would de-value our pick 7 to pick 8 too. We'd effectivley be shooting ourselves, although slightly, in the foot. |
Yep, and I'm sure GWS would be happy with pick 7-9 for Treloar when we're sitting with pick 2 or 3. |
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woftam 
I used to be undecided, but now I'm not so sure.
Joined: 28 Jul 2008
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| John Wren wrote: | | i don't think we will end up will kreuzer. |
Happy with that. |
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qldmagpie67
Joined: 18 Dec 2008
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Ok I'll ask this. If no club offers Kruezer enough $$ to activate a band 1 pick and he still wants out how's does that effect the scum gaining a extra pick.
Hyperthertically if he decides he wants out and no club offers him more than say $400k as I understand it the scum can keep him. He's salary with them is reported to be around $600k a season hence Kruezer's management wanting a similar salary plus it would give the scum a band 1 pick. But if no one bits at his asking price can he then request a trade & what does that give the scum in return ?
I'm not a Kruezer fan and really hope we don't land him as we don't need a injury prone player on our list (we have Ben Reid) but if we lose Witts we will need a ready made back up for sure.
I've posted in another thread that I would be keen on Lobbe from Port as rumour has it he will be pushed out to accomodate Dixon coming from the Suns.
Could we send Port a second round pick this year for Lobbe and then send them a player for there first round pick this year to use on getting the Aishe deal done ? |
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