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Pies4shaw 
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Wokko 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/may/26/lori-klausutis-husband-asks-twitter-delete-trump-joe-scarborough-smears-death#maincontent |
The President is far from the first person to question the details of that death.
A 28 year old intern suddenly died of an 'undiagnosed' heart problem, and manages to give herself blunt force trauma.
And Her boss, the new rising star of the Republican party just up and quits.
Yeah, nothing to see here.
Not sure why you care about a US Cable News hosts' reputation though.  |
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Pies4shaw
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| The poor woman’s husband has had to beg the President to stop lying about her death for political purposes. Imagine if Scomo or the ALP (whoever leads it) did that to any of us - we’d be horrified and appalled. It really is beyond the pale. Quite indecent. |
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Wokko
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | The poor woman’s husband has had to beg the President to stop lying about her death for political purposes. Imagine if Scomo or the ALP (whoever leads it) did that to any of us - we’d be horrified and appalled. It really is beyond the pale. Quite indecent. |
Clutch those pearls harder. 
Joe Scarborough is a scumbag who you wouldn't defend in a pink fit if anyone but Trump said it, and plenty of people have been saying it since 2001. Hell you probably didn't even know who he was until the Guardian told you to be mad about it. |
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Pies4shaw
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It’s her husband who has asked Twitter to delete Trump’s tweets, not Scarborough. As it happens, Stui put up this article in another thread, for another reason: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/26/tech/twitter-trump-fact-check/index.html
It records the following:
Twitter said the move was aimed at providing "context" around Trump's remarks. But Twitter's unprecedented decision is likely to raise further questions about its willingness to consistently apply the label to other Trump tweets that have been deemed misleading by third parties, particularly as the president has lobbed baseless allegations against former Rep. Joe Scarborough regarding the death of a congressional staffer years ago.
He asked Twitter to remove Trump's false tweets about his dead wife. Twitter refused
Trump's allegations draw on a discredited conspiracy theory claiming, without evidence, that Scarborough played a role in the 2001 death of then-staffer Lori Klausutis. The reckless claims are undermined by the official autopsy, which found Klausutis had an undiagnosed heart condition. That history was painfully recounted in a letter written last week by Klausutis's husband, Timothy, to Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey. In the letter, which became public on Tuesday, Timothy Klausutis pleaded with Dorsey to remove Trump's tweets.
"I'm asking you to intervene in this instance because the President of the United States has taken something that does not belong to him — the memory of my dead wife — and perverted it for perceived political gain," Klausutis wrote. |
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David 
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Beside the question of what is or isn’t true – and it’s certainly a juicy story, though apparently baseless – a country’s leader using his position to publicly speculate on rumours about an enemy is a bit petty and undignified, to say the least. But I guess that’s what you get when you elect, er, Donald Trump president.
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| Wokko wrote: | | Joe Scarborough is a scumbag who you wouldn't defend in a pink fit if anyone but Trump said it, and plenty of people have been saying it since 2001. |
Who cares about Joe whoever? Why would you even waste your time reading that stuff? I suppose it's entertaining if you're into that kind of thing.
But it begs the question: is it considered normal where you're from for leaders in the most serious positions, with the gravest responsibilities, to spend their time compulsively publishing salacious tabloid-level gossip?
For the record, it's considered pathetic, juvenile, cringeworthy and disqualifying of serious office in any culture or social group with which I've ever been associated.
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David
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The funny (?) thing is, this is precisely the sort of bitchy, mean-spirited thing he used to do all the time when he was just another crank on Twitter most of us could safely ignore. This is a guy who used to tweet things like this:
| Donald Trump’s Twitter back in 2012 wrote: | | Robert Pattinson should not take back Kristen Stewart. She cheated on him like a dog and will do it again—just watch. He can do much better! |
So Trump certainly hasn’t changed; but what we consider normal behaviour from a US president certainly has, at least a little.
One wonders if any of this is in any way inconvenient or embarrassing for the image that many of his supporters have constructed in their minds of him as a steadfast, patriotic, Reagan-like figure. We all know about cognitive dissonance, but I get the sense that, on the contrary, a lot of his supporters actually delight in this stuff. I suspect it’s not even about him being un-PC or "calling it like it is" so much as it is that they like that he’s catty and spiteful and selfish, and that it makes them feel good to have a president with those qualities (rather than, say, someone who comes across like an aloof, mannered intellectual). Perhaps he reflects something deeper in American culture than a lot of observers – friends and foes alike – are willing to acknowledge. (And we know equally that, far beyond any actual concerns about policy or governance, this aspect of Trump’s presidency is what upsets the liberal political and media elite the most.) I’m not trying to be an armchair psychologist, but that’s my observation, at any rate.
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stui magpie 
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That's the thing exactly, Trump hasn't changed one bit and I don't know why that surprises people. The US people knew exactly what they were electing and they did it anyway which will forever haunt and mess with the minds of the Hillary supporters.
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Wokko
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
That's the thing exactly, Trump hasn't changed one bit and I don't know why that surprises people. The US people knew exactly what they were electing and they did it anyway which will forever haunt and mess with the minds of the Hillary supporters. |
I was about to post something similar. People voted him in because he's Donald Trump, not in spite of it. Every time someone posts "Look at this crass and rude thing Trump said, surely this time he's finished" everyone who voted for or even just likes the guy just has a satisfied chuckle that he's made some leftist, liberal, cuckservative or globalist mad enough to post about it.
Every rant, meltdown and assertion that "This time he's finished for sure" just makes the satisfaction a little stronger. "Owning the Libs" as David puts it, or even just making them mad, never gets old.
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Lit's not even slightly amusing though because it signals disaster.
There's no justification because everything about his election was willfully puerile and nihilistic. That's the step before secession, expulsion or civil war, isn't it? The normalisation of everything from carrying guns to Trump's behaviour signals an end game because it's unsustainable. Bush, Trump, wars, financial crises, executive and judicial takeovers — there's no more pushback to be had. A separate culture it is.
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Pies4shaw
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| He’s not “owning the libs” (whatever that means) here, though, is he? He’s just ruining the memory of some poor chap’s dead wife for no good reason, on the basis of a series of lies debunked years ago, as a means to throwing his faeces like an orangutan at a media personality he doesn’t like. It’s not politics. It’s a tragedy of barbarism. The people in the US who think this is a good thing probably also like fart jokes. None of this is acceptable from an elected public official, whatever the political persuasion. |
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^The discussion being that the norms to which you refer no longer matter. The more you appeal to them the more power is taken from defying them. Game over.
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| That’s fine for whoever happens to be “in charge” - until the tables are turned and some lib “owns” them in just the same way. |
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David
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
That's the thing exactly, Trump hasn't changed one bit and I don't know why that surprises people. The US people knew exactly what they were electing and they did it anyway which will forever haunt and mess with the minds of the Hillary supporters. |
Imagine having a view of the world that is so narrow that it revolves around winning imaginary fights with Hillary supporters. This must be why the right-wing press keeps trying to push wish-fulfilment stories about her entering the Democratic primary, and why Trump keeps tweeting about her: that's the playing field that they feel most comfortable on, and they want to relive old victories. Well, sorry to say it, but Hillary is old news, and hardly anybody cares about her any more. A politics of spite and oneupmanship will only get you so far.
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