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Kingsofclutch
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<split from "Israeli–Palestinian conflict" thread>
It's almost as if there has been a concerted effort to sue reporters and news outlets so that billionaires like the Murdoch family can end up owning 90% of media outlets and push far right agendas and have you thinking the Ukrainians are the enemy and Hamas are the 'good' terrorists. Seriously it's fkn 1938 again and Twitler's anti semitic far right homophobic sexist racist dumpster fire with it's new idiot name isn't helping, who would have thought the son of an Apartheid Emerald mine owner who had to watch his father kill 2 intruders in the lounge room as a child would grow up to be baby Hitler? Having bought Tesla and stolen the title 'founder' he should do the same with the Volkswagen group and really embrace his heritage.
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ugly dude with the stunning missus yeah
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| Kingsofclutch wrote: | | It's almost as if there has been a concerted effort to sue reporters and news outlets so that billionaires like the Murdoch family can end up owning 90% of media outlets and push far right agendas and have you thinking the Ukrainians are the enemy and Hamas are the 'good' terrorists. |
I must be reading the wrong news, I thought it was the left claiming Hamas were the good terrorists . 
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Kingsofclutch
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| stui magpie wrote: |
I must be reading the wrong news, I thought it was the left claiming Hamas were the good terrorists . |
Let's not kid each other who owns the major outlets and how they lean, how far they lean, you read what they want.
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | slangman wrote: |
Your obsession with working class vs ruling class is bordering on ridiculous and it is clouding your ability to be impartial and able to understand that not everything is about the classes.
You can dismiss capitalism all you like but just remember that socialism is the system that more people have fled in the last 100 years than any other.
Anti semitism is not about classes. It’s about the historical hatred of Jews.
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Modern anti-Semitism, regardless of your opinion, is totally bound up with the growth of the working class throughout europe and the growth of socialist ideas in the labour movement - regardless of what your opinion is, I am afraid. The Tsarist regime in Russia responded to the revolutionary socialist movement in the working class by inciting the most horrific pogroms against the Jewish population. Likewise, anti-Semitism was fomented by the ruling classes in France, Austria and then in Germany. The development of socialism within the working class was viewed by a mortal threat by the capitalist class, and it sought to mobilise the most ignorant and backward layers of the middle class against the Jewish population, and as a battering ram against the organisations of the working class. Hitler hated the Jews not due to some abstract innate hatred of Jews, but because they occupied such prominent positions within the leadership of the labour movement. And he hated the labour movement because it fought for genuine social equality for all, in opposition to his nightmarish vision of the superiority of the Aryan race and the German nation.
Regardless of what you think, every historical phenonomen has its basis in classes and their struggle.
If you view this as BS, so be it. You can also declare the law of gravity to be BS if you like. You have a right to your views, even if they are not based on reality.
Finally, there is every right to dismiss capitalism as a failed system. The governments which once ruled in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union were the antithesis of socialism. They were Stalinist dictatorships, which fraudulently claimed the name of socialism to justfiy themselves politically. Genuine socialism, as fought for by Trotsky and the Left Opposition in 1923, has not yet been established. |
Have you ever lived under socialism?
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Trump and Musk assure me that some nazis are really nice people.
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stui magpie
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | Genuine socialism, as fought for by Trotsky and the Left Opposition in 1923, has not yet been established. |
There's probably a good reason for that, it would only work in theory if everyone was like minded.
You're clearly a very passionate socialist, I won't disparage your views regardless what I think of them, and I'll be limiting my responses to you as there's clearly no point. Your view is fixed and any attempt at debate is futile.
I'm not sure how you manage to support yourself in a Capitalist Democracy, but good luck with it.
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| Kingsofclutch wrote: | | Trump and Musk assure me that some nazis are really nice people. |
That type of statement can be applied both ways.
Chairman Dan assured us that the Chinese government is really not that bad.
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| slangman wrote: |
That type of statement can be applied both ways.
Chairman Dan assured us that the Chinese government is really not that bad. |
Keep telling yourself Dan is a narcissistic wannabe dictator like a Trump or Musk if that helps you sleep at night, and you can talk about both ways but everything you read and watch is what those grubs want you to think... oooh scary Dan, bet he can't wait to lead a failed coup like the orange moron.
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Was. Past tense. Chairman Dan is gone. Thank fck.
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| stui magpie wrote: | ^
Was. Past tense. Chairman Dan is gone. Thank fck. |
Pfft all the real grubs are on the other side but Murdoch money buys a lot of ignorance.
Not that our politics is what will burn this country down, at least not initially.
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| Kingsofclutch wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | ^
Was. Past tense. Chairman Dan is gone. Thank fck. |
Pfft all the real grubs are on the other side but Murdoch money buys a lot of ignorance.
Not that our politics is what will burn this country down, at least not initially. |
Dan was the biggest grub but i guess thats the type of grub that you accept.
Your grandkids will be thanking you for the debt that they will still be paying off long after you have left thanks to the grub that you accepted.
No amount of blaming Trump or Musk will change the reality of what that incompetent fool did to this state.
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Surely Trump stuffing up an entire country is worse than anything else? 😳
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Kingsofclutch
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| slangman wrote: |
Dan was the biggest grub but i guess thats the type of grub that you accept.
Your grandkids will be thanking you for the debt that they will still be paying off long after you have left thanks to the grub that you accepted.
No amount of blaming Trump or Musk will change the reality of what that incompetent fool did to this state. |
You've been played by Murdoch, it's like getting your footy news from Robbo.
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| lazzadesilva wrote: | | Surely Trump stuffing up an entire country is worse than anything else? 😳 |
Next time it's the world.
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