Transgender athletes back on the agenda

[stui magpie]

I saw a person at the Thomastown Market last Sunday.

They were clearly a biological Male, give away was the full beard.

50+ due to the grey messy shoulder length hair and beard, about 5'6" and slim build.

What attracted my attention was the outfit.

Black fishnet stockings, vivid green wrap around skirt and 6" silver stiletto's.

It was freezing cold and the market was full of mud and puddles, how the fck they got around in those stiletto's had me fckd.

TT Market is like the UN, bits of everwhere. Stall holders if they aren't Asian are largely older European or middle Eastern gentlemen. There's even a pop up stall with a couple of guys spreading the holy word of the Koran.

This person strolled around like everyone else, attracting not a lot of interest or curiosity from stall holders or patrons which made me somewhat happy. I was even happier when they bent over in front of me to examine some trinket as I was walking toward them and they were wearing underwear.

[stui magpie]

[think positive]

WOW! Awesome news, and brilliantly put

Keep it rolling

[David]

So how do the biological essentialists feel about trans women and trans men competing with each other? Or, re: the bolded section above, does concern about physical safety and strength differences immediately disappear once cis women are out of the picture?

[stui magpie]

Didn't read it properly, did you.

[David]

Touché, I did misread the last line of your original quote. But the article itself is otherwise unclear, as it suggests that they're starting up a new "category" with an eye to starting "a separate league or tournament" – note the singular there, not plural. So it's quite unclear where transgender men fit into this picture: whether they will be admitted into this separate league (in which case my post above stands), still be permitted to compete with cis women (which would contradict the line above), or whether the administrators simply haven't considered them at all. Wouldn't surprise me all that much if it was the latter.

[stui magpie]

No, the way I read the article is that all fights would be based on birth gender.

In the Trans competition, people genetically women would fight people genetically women and the same with the men. So no disadvantage to anyone and trans boxers would not compete against non-trans people.

A woman who transitioned to a man would only fight against women who had transitioned to men and vice versa with men who had transitioned.

The goal is that at no point would you have a genetic male fighting a genetic female, irrespective of gender identification.

[think positive]

Yep that’s how I read it too!
Ie common sense

[think positive]

Cis women. Ugh first thing I saw in David’s post. Women, we are just women! We have not changed a $�$%^%%$ thing, we don’t need to change OUR identity, or our name!


Bogut is one hundred percent correct. A biological male should not be playing basketball against biological females. Fullstop. It’s not a mixed league, it’s a women’s league.

[David]

Do you get offended by being called straight, or white? Should I be offended by being called able-bodied?

None of these terms change who you are, whether or not you ever thought of them as part of your identity; they’re all used in relation and contrast to others. Your annoyance is no different to that of people who got riled up by being called straight or heterosexual back when gay rights first became a part of mainstream discourse.

[think positive]

who called you that??!

[David]

It's a term for anyone who doesn't have a disability. I understand some people might feel an internal resistance to it, because the thing they've always taken for granted as "just being normal" is now a thing that feels like being labelled and placed in a box. But fair's fair: we've always done the same for minorities, so it makes sense for every minority descriptor – disabled, gay, transgender, etc. – to have its counterpart.

[think positive]

i was being sarcastic and not funny i guess!!!

[stui magpie]

Basketball is actually one sport where I could be convinced it's OK for Trans women to play againt biological women.

There's already freaks of nature playing in both male and female comps in the USA, and basketball is (theoretically) a non-contact sport so any size and strength advantage is essentially nullified and it comes back to skill.

[think positive]