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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:31 pm
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I think there is a strong chance that the actresses could have been fired for reacting and interrupting the flow of the show.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:29 pm
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did anyone else watch the special/ it was riveting and agony to watch, and seeing the the reports coaching the witnesses... actual footage,

i hope he sues for plenty, because it almost cost him his life,

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2021 10:49 pm
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This is about McLachlan, right? Is the suggestion that all these women are lying? While nothing here seems to be a major offence, per se, one does get a pretty solid impression of the kind of guy he is from this – and the notion that he's been victimised by all this seems quite rich.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-15/craig-mclachlan-defamation-defence-reveals-new-allegations/100140238

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 1:28 am
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did you watch it??

they actually have footage of the journos telling the witnesses what to say.

one of the women worked on other projects, (the most damning one) with him after the fact, and texted him for years as a friend, after the fact.

the kiss one seems ludicrous.

im guessing there is a fair bit of sexual harassment in the film industry, im also guessing a few wannabees would go the casting couch way of their own choice.

he says there was a culture on that particular show behind the scenes that was not nice and he partook in it.

before you comment, you really need to watch it. i reckon hes a scapegoat, and the accusations dont warrant what it has done to his life, especially since he was found not guilty 13 times. the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, lying? exaggerating?

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:07 am
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Can’t find the whole thing, but this is a clip from it, right?

https://youtu.be/K7hUxrHNi9g

Whatever the ethics of this kind of advocacy journalism, it seems pretty rich for those complaints to be levied by a program as obviously one-sided and (almost comically) manipulative as this. I don’t watch commercial current affairs shows and haven’t for a very long time, so it’s always a bit of a shock to be reminded of just how brazen they are.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 5:51 pm
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The whole saga with respect to McLachlan seems to trivialise actual sexual abuse.

Unwanted touching even a kiss is in a different hemisphere than sexual abuse. Yes it can be perceived as an abuse of power etc but whatever happened to “**** off” “oy, piss off that’s not on” etc.....and context.

I asked my oldest and she has done that before and embarrassed a perpetrator of unwanted invasion of personal space in the workplace when she was a teenager with an older bloke.

Mrs WPT can’t believe the precious petals that conflate the disparate parts of the continuum.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 6:02 pm
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I think you meant to say "that's not on" rather than "that's not in" which is a very different complaint.
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 6:18 pm
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I think you’re right 🤔🤦‍♂️😱
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:11 pm
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watt price tully wrote:
The whole saga with respect to McLachlan seems to trivialise actual sexual abuse.

Unwanted touching even a kiss is in a different hemisphere than sexual abuse. Yes it can be perceived as an abuse of power etc but whatever happened to “**** off” “oy, piss off that’s not on” etc.....and context.

I asked my oldest and she has done that before and embarrassed a perpetrator of unwanted invasion of personal space in the workplace when she was a teenager with an older bloke.

Mrs WPT can’t believe the precious petals that conflate the disparate parts of the continuum.


On the one hand, yes, I think dealing with the other person in the moment (if safe) is the best option, and there’s no need for misunderstandings or social faux pas to become HR or (more seriously) legal issues if they can be easily and satisfactorily resolved in an interpersonal setting. On the other hand, the situation that happened to your daughter sounds a bit more sinister than that, particularly if she was underage; good for her for defending herself and controlling the situation, but part of me can’t help but wonder if this was a serially predatory older guy who just gave up and tried the same thing on someone less able to stand up for themselves next time around.

Again, there are mistakes and innocent failures to read social cues, and then there’s people deliberately trying to abuse the power they hold – and I tend to think people in the latter camp really shouldn’t be in those jobs, at least not until they’ve been held accountable and/or changed their ways.

Maybe McLachlan has suffered enough, but if he has done even some of what was alleged and is reacting in this "poor me" way, then it sounds a lot like he hasn’t learned anything. And perhaps film sets and theatre rehearsal rooms would be better off without guys like that around.

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:32 pm
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And yet the girl with the ‘worst’ complaint worked with him 2 more times, socialised with him, and was testing him continually up to 6 weeks before he was charged. Chased him for roles. 2 of the woman applied for jobs on the second rocky horror show, me too hit soon after, and then so did they. Not all men are guilty. The casting couch most certainly exists, but not all women are the innocent party in that.

You stick up for a guy in the industry who $%$ed his step daughter! It doesn’t matter if they stayed together, she was taboo from the word go.

13 not guiltys but you still think it’s all on him?

You say you won’t watch it because it’s on commercial tv? And yet you convict him without hearing his side your honour! Ok then!

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 7:52 pm
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The kind of behaviour that was alleged may be in a different league to rape and serious sexual assault, but it still doesn't belong in a workplace and people who report it or complain about it aren't being precious. Some people are more conflict averse than others and are less able to call it out in the moment with an "Oi, p155 off dickhead, no touching" or similar.

You never want to put blocks in the road of someone reporting the kind of behaviour that was alleged, but it's also utterly wrong that someone's career, livelihood and reputation can be ruined by an allegation

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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 9:51 pm
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I agree totally
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PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2021 10:52 pm
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think positive wrote:
And yet the girl with the ‘worst’ complaint worked with him 2 more times, socialised with him, and was testing him continually up to 6 weeks before he was charged. Chased him for roles. 2 of the woman applied for jobs on the second rocky horror show, me too hit soon after, and then so did they. Not all men are guilty. The casting couch most certainly exists, but not all women are the innocent party in that.

You stick up for a guy in the industry who �$%$ed his step daughter! It doesn’t matter if they stayed together, she was taboo from the word go.

13 not guiltys but you still think it’s all on him?

You say you won’t watch it because it’s on commercial tv? And yet you convict him without hearing his side your honour! Ok then!


I’m not desperate to watch the whole thing, no, but I have watched the couple of minutes in the video excerpt I posted, which contains what I presume are the most supposedly damning recordings of the journalist’s interviews (though please feel free to fill me in if that’s not the case). My issue is not that it’s from a commercial station, but that it’s constructed (again, from the excerpt) as such a blatant puff piece.

I have no dog in this fight, but I did read the ABC article I posted (which came out after the defamation case and Channel 7 interview), and it seems to paint a fairly comprehensive and difficult-to-dispute picture of habitual misconduct. We all know that the bar for defamation rulings is extremely low here, so I don’t necessarily treat those as the end of the story. Other than that, all the stuff about actresses continuing to seek roles with him is as old as the hills. If there’s one thing Me Too taught us, it’s that power differentials in the performing arts industry make matters of consent and exploitation complicated; many women continue to put up with things or even say yes to things they don’t want to do because their careers depend on it – and before we attack them for that, use it to discredit their testimony or conclude that they’re therefore complicit, don’t forget that those power dynamics give a lot of unpleasant people impunity to do as they please.

On Woody Allen, as you know, I’ve always argued for a distinction between professional conduct and personal lives. I wouldn’t say I particularly stick up for him when it comes to his relationship with Soon-Yi Previn (who was never his stepdaughter, though some see that as hair-splitting); I think most of us could agree that it was a questionable life choice on his part, though I also think that as consenting adults they had a basic right to pursue that relationship and to be together now. My issue is that I don’t think his art should be suppressed because of it (or because of the unrelated, unproven sexual abuse allegation). For what it’s worth, I’m not calling for McLachlan’s films or theatre work to be suppressed either, and would be alarmed if they were.

But the accusations against McLachlan relate directly to his capacity to carry out his work professionally and treat his colleagues respectfully, so if they are considered plausible by others in the industry (and we know that’s a lower evidentiary bar than what can be accepted in a court of law) and lead to him missing out on work, then that just seems like a natural and reasonable consequence for being, to put it bluntly, a bit of a creep. And yes, that would be an injustice if he is innocent. But does anyone here really believe that? Or is the position more that, yeah, he did some of that stuff but it’s no big deal?

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 3:43 pm
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I see the sticky in GD referring to Joffa, I assume that doesn't apply in the VPT, if we can discuss wine stain and pell I don't see why Joffa would be off limits.

For those not with the news, Joffa has been charged with 2 counts of sexual penetration of a 14 year old (at the time) boy in 2005.

Personally I'm very surprised, I've had a number of conversations with Joff in the past and in my judgement of the man I would never have seen anything like this coming. Other than that I won't comment on guilt or innocence.

Unfortunately though, the same phenomena of assuming guilt on being charged is occurring here to. I had a look on Joffa's Facebook page earlier, his last post was a couple of weeks ago, he was in Melbourne, it was the day he was charged. Already there are people piling into the comments on that last post with insults and assumptions of guilt

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 4:32 pm
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stui magpie wrote:
I see the sticky in GD referring to Joffa, I assume that doesn't apply in the VPT, if we can discuss wine stain and pell I don't see why Joffa would be off limits


The mods would rather you didn't. Pell and Wienstein are a different proposition to Joffa, who won't have the same resources to defend himself, but will be much more sensitive to the goings on on Nick's.
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