Post Match. Pies down to Hawks - All comments please.

[Dave The Man]

[Dave The Man]

[AN_Inkling]

One that I missed earlier: Tom Philips was also one of our best. Gets lumped with Smith a lot, but he is a much better player. Only a decent user of the ball but his gut running is very important.

[Dave The Man]

[Pappatannas]

Copy of post I wrongly entered as new topic. Sorry

I post rarely as I see so many angles to this I become paralysed. Still, do a little balance on the Cox theme, I’ve read no mention of one of most experienced players in Ben Reid clunking multiple marks. To me if you are getting 2 hands to it without any spoils then it should be sticking. It’s like it’s mental. Just that grit to say “ this is mine!!!!”

Sure Coxy was poor but so was Reid. The whole mood changes when a couple of strong grabs occur. Hope. Belief. These little things drive me nuts. Even my 15 yo son is saying “ Dad, when we handball why aren’t we going on to shepherd? We just handball and stop”
I hate being critical because I’m on in amongst it and know they are trying but eff me, even the basics of intent seem frazzled . In round 1!!!
Thanks

[AN_Inkling]

Reid dropped a couple, but he did take 6 marks. Cox took 0. That's extraordinary.

It was a slippery night, some dropped marks were to be expected (Moore dropped a couple as well). It's not like the Hawks talls were grabbing many either.

[Dave The Man]

I am thinking Pendles is a Terrible Captain. Did nothing to Inspire his Teammates and We where not up for it at the Start

[WarrenerraW]

[WarrenerraW]

[qldmagpie67]

Interesting stat and I raised it in JLT2
When we take 14 or more marks inside 50 (on2017 numbers) we went 7-11-1 when we took 13 or less we went 1-12
It's a stat that can't be ignored as it basically says when we mark it inside 50 we win games when we don't we don't have small forwards or crumbers to kick the goals we need to win games.
JLT1 we took 8 marks inside 50 lost JLT 2 we took 23 marks inside 50 and run away with it.
Yesterday we took 7 marks inside 50
Bucks actually had the right idea moving Moore forward in the last term we needed to take loads of marks inside 50 to be any chance the sad part is was it was too late. We were down by close to 7 goals when he decided to do this got back to 4 goals down then they kicked a couple late ones to push it back out to a 6 goal loss.
Elliott and Faz hurt not being there but size wiser we had more than enough talls to take at least 10-12 marks inside 50. Heck Cox dropped about 7-8 by himself and Grundy 2 that I can think of.
For punishment to myself for over indulging in th red wine last night I watched the game again.
The second time was even more painful than the first time.
Final opinion
Next week Cox Langdon Phillips Smith all go out
(And Maynard Thomas Treloar Adams can thank themselves,lucky we have injuries or they could all have been dropped as well)
Bring in Brown Kirby Daicos Scharenberg
Play Reid at FF WHE at CHF Pendles Daicos Kirby Varcoe as your starting forward line (rotate Sidey Trelaor Stephenson Brown through there as well)
Starting backline
Dunn Murray Howe Moore Scharenberg Crisp
At least Kirby gives us some X factor and Brown Daicos some enthusiasm and Scharenberg some better foot skills and ability to read the game

[AN_Inkling]

A lot of bagging of Cox but our problem was not our tall forwards, it wasn't a night for them to dominate. Roughead did bugger all for the Hawks and Moore was the leading marker for the night with 8 (Reid 6, Cox 0, Roughead 4).

Our problem was a lack of small forwards, or quality forwards of any description. We can say that missing players are not an excuse. But compare Rioli, Burgoyne, Bruest to Crocker and whoever else we had up there and it's a massive discrepancy. That's not coaching, that's lack of personnel. Add Wells, Elliot, Fas, De Goey and the forward lines are not so far a part.

They beat us for run and had more talented forwards. Simple as that. I did not see any coaching failure in this game. Overall it was a fairly even contest and I don't see any reason to think we won't be competitive in most games.

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

Funny that, I saw a huge difference in the coaching... one was actively giving his players/bench instructions via his head set for most of the game, the other kept sitting half sideways in his chair and trying to look away.. I'll let you work out who was who

[SonofRowdy]

Terry Wallace's view that "this squad isn't good enough" in sobering.

Honest, objective, feedback from is to be taken on board and we need to come even come to terms it. As such, dropping "x" number of players for poor form when you don't have depth is like looking to change deck chairs on the titanic - it just isn't the long term solution.

Focus needs to intensify on our recruiting, we just aren't getting enough elite talent through the door. I remember listening to draft night on the radio and the commentators surprise that we took Maynard in one draft, Phillips in another and Sier in another. The comments stuck in my mind.. on Maynard they said "well the only thing AFL standard about him is that he is a long kick and has a bit of mongrel about him" I could tell at the time they were surprised and were searching for something positive to say. On Phillips all they could say is that "he works hard and can run all day"... and it was pure shock when we selected Sier... a player they knew little about.

Something is a miss in our recruiting ... how do Sydney do it year after year ? Talent identification is everything and there are clearly things that the Swans (and Hawks for that matter) see in players that we don't. Got to get the fundamentals right otherwise we are going to continue this slow and painful slide down the ladder.

[Dave The Man]

[Jpies]