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PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 2:04 pm
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watt price tully wrote:
So Pell who was in Authority at the time knew of the abuse. Of course we all knew that too. He didn’t do anything and made things worse. He should go back to Prison. Scum.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/long-awaited-george-pell-royal-commission-findings-released-20200507-p54qmo.html


He should certainly face some kind of justice for all that, I don't think anyone's disputing his mismanagement of child sexual abuse in the chruch (whether through incompetence or malice), but that's not what he was charged with. I still think what you've brought up is what he was convicted of by the jury rather than the charges he was facing.
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watt price tully wrote:
So Pell who was in Authority at the time knew of the abuse. Of course we all knew that too. He didn’t do anything and made things worse. He should go back to Prison. Scum.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/long-awaited-george-pell-royal-commission-findings-released-20200507-p54qmo.html


He should certainly face some kind of justice for all that, I don't think anyone's disputing his mismanagement of child sexual abuse in the chruch (whether through incompetence or malice), but that's not what he was charged with. I still think what you've brought up is what he was convicted of by the jury rather than the charges he was facing.


Mismanagement is a bit of a weasel word.
Pell knew
Pell was in power
Pell shifted a perpertator if not other perpetrators who went on to abuse more
In many ways his sins were worse than being a perpetrator
Pell looked after the brand first.

Hence my statement: he ought to go back to prison

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watt price tully wrote:

In many ways his sins were worse than being a perpetrator


No
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In many ways his sins were worse than being a perpetrator


No


Yes, he could have put a stop to it!

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In many ways his sins were worse than being a perpetrator


No


If you’re in power and were responsible for shifting the perpetrator to rape some more then I see that just as culpable if not more so.

If he reported it at the time then the behaviour may have stopped. However the child rapists continued to do just that in different places.

The Archbishop has blood on his hands let alone multiple other’s trauma.

Viewed in that way it is a yes.

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KenH wrote:
Wokko wrote:
watt price tully wrote:

In many ways his sins were worse than being a perpetrator


No


Yes, he could have put a stop to it!


Spot on Ken!!!

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especially since there was more than one perp he knew about
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Yes it's bad, it's not in the same league as raping children.

Nobody thinks the accessory to murder is as bad as the murderer, same applies here.

If that's what he did (and it appears he did), then charge him with that. Wanting revenge on the church isn't legally relevant when accusing a man of molesting children.
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Actually, the law thinks being an accessory is just as bad as being a murderer. Traditionally, the penalties are the same. And rightly so.
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What is it about Pell that makes people want to put all the many sins of the Catholic Church on his head?
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What is it about Pell that makes people want to put all the many sins of the Catholic Church on his head?


Just the sins he was responsible and accountable for. That’s quite a few. At the same that’s more than enough. He’s an enabler.

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Actually, the law thinks being an accessory is just as bad as being a murderer. Traditionally, the penalties are the same. And rightly so.


In theory... maybe, but not really.

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A 20-year-old woman who helped her brother dispose the body of her childhood friend, who was allegedly murdered in Ballarat, has avoided immediate imprisonment.

Kieahn Kotiau was sentenced to a 12-month community corrections order at the Supreme Court in Melbourne on Thursday.


Murder has a maximum of life and accessory after the fact has a maximum of 25 years but I highly doubt there's any kind of parity if you did a comparison of sentences for the two crimes.
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I guess the issue is not just collaborating, but actually enabling further abuse to occur. It's one thing to cover up for a friend after the fact – which is a crime, as it should be, but a somewhat more benign one – and another to knowingly permit a culture in which abusers can act with impunity. I don't know what sort of conviction or sentence he should get for that, but at the very least he ought to be removed from his position in the church. If they stand for anything other than their own self-interest, that is.
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stui magpie wrote:
What is it about Pell that makes people want to put all the many sins of the Catholic Church on his head?

Few have sought so much public glory and influence while shepherding so much torture of children. It's up there with the worst crimes in history; he's essentially facilitating the trade in child abuse in order to ensure he attains status.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/catholic-church-s-legal-deluge-compounded-by-damning-pell-findings-20200508-p54r9p.html

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Accusations that a now sacked cardinal funneled over $1m to Australia to try to influence the Pell trial in order to get a conviction.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-20/austrac-vatican-allegations-george-pell-senate-estimates/12795476

How do you 'wire' that amount of money somewhere without leaving an audit trail?
Asking for a friend.

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