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Donny Aries

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:44 pm
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Woakes 5fa.

8/36.

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Donny Aries

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:27 am
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All out 38. 7th. lowest Test team total.

26 is the lowest, by NZ in 1955.

Woakes took 6/17, Broad 4/19.

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"Missed it by that much."
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 6:55 pm
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The strangest test match I've ever seen Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:09 pm
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I'm not sure how you judge strangeness. There could be five 3-day Tests coming up. (That would be predictable and sad to me, but not strange or surprising.)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:46 am
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Collapso relapso

http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1083643/collapso-relapso

Batsmen are piling on runs like never before. They are also shrivelling at the first sight of adversity

Tom Eaton, March 2017

"Test teams are scoring huge totals much more often than they used to. Between 1960 (more or less the start of the current era of covered pitches) and the end of 1999, one in 18 innings would see a team rack up 500 or more. Since the start of 2000, that rate has almost doubled to one in ten. Last year, teams amassed 500 or more on 19 occasions: one in nine.

The second discovery seemed sharply at odds with the first. It was, startlingly, that sub-100 totals have also become much more frequent. From 1960 until 1999, the dreaded double-figures dig happened roughly once every 70 innings. Since 2000, that figure has jumped to one in 47.
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In the last ten years, it has been Newlands, not the WACA, that has seen the most sub-100 innings. Lord's has proved more lethal than the Wanderers or the Gabba.
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What strikes you, other than the mania of it all, is the inexplicable normality of the batting team. Batsman after batsman takes guard as he always does. He hops around and pokes at the pitch as he always does. He leaves a couple, hops around a bit more, and then, bizarrely, starts shaping to play shots. Nothing about his demeanour or shot selection suggest that he's trying to stop the rot, or even that he has noticed the carnage. The modern batsman just plays his natural game until he nicks off for 2 and the next free-scoring strokemaker comes in at 10 for 4."
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England master art of falling apart but batting collapses are a global trend

Any Bull, The Guardian, 30 Jan 2019

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/29/england-barbados-batting-collapses-andy-bull

"In 78 years of Test cricket, from 1938 onwards, through 743 games, England lost in every which way you can imagine but weren’t once bowled out in a single session. Now it has happened three times in three years.

There have been other collapses around it, of course, ones that aren’t so neatly compartmentalised. Six for 43 and 10 for 83 and five for 51 and six for 15 and 10 for 104 in their away series against India in 2016. Nine for 94 and seven for 62 against South Africa in 2017. Six for 56 and seven for 64 and six for 35 and six for 85 and seven for 87 in Australia. Five for 16 and six for 35 at home against Pakistan. Anyone who has been following England for long knows they’ve always been partial to a batting collapse, but these days they seem predisposed to them. ...

The last came in Barbados last week, from 23 for none to 77 all out, 10 wickets for 54 runs in 129 balls, including nine in the space of a session, undone, this time, by four West Indian quicks on a fast pitch. Which means that England have been spun out in Bangladesh and swung out in New Zealand, seamed out in England and blasted out in the West Indies. There’s no pattern to it. ...
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Since the start of 2010, the world’s eight best teams (if we strip out Bangladesh, who had such a rough time of it in the 2000s, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, and Ireland) have been bowled out for 100 or less 28 times in 391 Tests. In the 2000s it was 25 in 456. In the 1990s it was 15 in 347. It’s a crude measure, but it suggests collapses are becoming more common. Indeed, of the 70 shortest completed innings in Test history, 17 of them, just under a quarter, were played in the past decade. Which is why this feels like an epochal shift.

This is a generation of batsmen who feel they need to succeed in Twenty20 if they are going to have fulfilling careers. They have to juggle the demands, the schedules, strategies and tactics of all three formats. It’s not easy. Root’s response has been to allow England’s white-ball style to bleed over into Test cricket. ..."
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:49 pm
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Tim Paine, Oct 2018, after Oz collapsed against Pakistan in UAE:

"There's no doubt this has been happening for too long for the Australian cricket team, not just our Test team but probably domestically.

"There's a lot of collapses throughout our batting group and I think a lot of it can be technical.

"Some guys will be mental and other guys will be tactical or your plans not being right for certain bowlers. There's no shying away from the fact we have a hell of a lot to do on our batting and it's this team and it's through the whole country."


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/paine-rues-australian-batting-collapses

Oz lost 10/60 in the first innings of the first Test, but managed to draw. In the second Test, Oz scored 145 & 164 to lose by 373 runs.


A month later, NZ fared even worse against the same opponents:

https://www.cricket.com.au/video/yasir-shah-pakistan-new-zealand-collapse-second-test-dubai-bowled-out-90-watch-highlights/2018-11-27

[I wish they'd just show video in chronological order instead of jumping forwards and backwards like this clip.]

NZ lost 9/29 in 7.2 overs (and all 10 wickets for 40 runs). Leg-spinner Yasir Shah took 8/41.
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'Don't think us batsmen have lived up to the standard' - Virat Kohli

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27426744/think-us-batsmen-lived-standard-virat-kohli

'Test match batting is in decline. That's what India captain Virat Kohli feels in an age when pitches have become result-oriented and bowlers have raised their game several-fold.

In just the last two years, various teams have suffered outrageous collapses. England were knocked over for 58 by New Zealand's swing and seam. New Zealand were sucker-punched from 61 for 1 to 90 all out by Pakistan's spin. India themselves were brushed aside on a lush green pitch at Lord's, making only 107 after promising so much more during their tour of England in 2018.

Pitched a question by Ian Bishop during Cricket West Indies' awards night about whether modern-day batsmen have been doing enough, Kohli replied, "Well, if I have to be brutally honest, I don't think us batsmen have lived up to the standard. We have travelled a lot over the past year-and-a-half and it's been challenging. We lost in England but won in Australia because the batsmen pulled up." '
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:34 am
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Oz lost 8/41 today in the first innings at Headingley.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:50 pm
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The 85 against Ireland is starting to look like a good score for the Poms against poor opposition.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:29 am
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England 67 all out in their first innings at Headingley.

Oz & England combined to lose 20/144 before things settled down a bit.
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Lowest Single-Innings Test Totals in the last decade:

Ireland 38 v. England, Lords, 24 Jul 2019
Bangladesh 43 v. WI, North Sound, 4 Jul 2018
NZ 45 v. S. Africa, Cape Town, 2 Jan 2013
Australia 47 v. S. Africa, Cape Town, 9 Nov 2011
Pakistan 49 v. S. Africa, Johannesburg, 1 Feb 2013
Zimbabwe 51 v. NZ, Napier, 26 Jan 2012
England 58 v. NZ, Auckland, 22 Mar 2018
Australia 60 v. England, Nottingham, 6 Aug 2015
England 67 v. Australia, Leeds, 22 Aug 2019
Zimbabwe 68 v. S. Africa, Port Elizabeth, 26 Dec 2017
NZ 68 v. England, Lord's, 16 May 2013
England 72 v. Pakistan, Abu Dhabi, 25 Jan 2012
Pakistan 72 v. England, Birmingham 6 Aug 2010
S. Africa 73 v. Sri Lanka, Galle, 12 Jul 2018
Pakistan 74 v. England, Lord's, 26 Aug 2010
England 77 v. WI, Bridgetown, 23 Jan 2019
S. Africa 79 v. India, Nagpur, 25 Nov 2015
Pakistan 80 v. England, Nottingham, 29 Jul 2010
Pakistan 81 v. WI, Bridgetown, 30 Apr 2017
Sri Lanka 82 v. England, Cardiff, 26 May 2011
S. Africa 83 v. England, Johannesburg, 14 Jan 2016
England 85 v. Ireland, Lord's, 24 Jul 2019
Australia 85 v. S. Africa, Hobart, 12 Nov 2016
Australia 88 v Pakistan, Leeds, 21 Jul 2010
NZ 90 v. Pakistan, Dubai (DSC), 24 Nov 2018
Bangladesh 90 v. S. Africa, Potchefstroom, 28 Sep 2017
Sri Lanka 91 v. England, Leeds, 19 May 2016
WI 93 v. Sri Lanka, Bridgetown, 23 Jun 2018
India 94 v. England, The Oval, 15 Aug 2014
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Baum:

"... Test batsmen have enough other ways to get out at the moment. We are living in a rare time of bowling plenty and batting paucity. Last year, the runs-per-wicket quotient in all Tests was the lowest for 60 years. In 22 completed Test matches around the world this calendar year, there have been nine scores of 400 or more in completed or declared innings, and 21 scores of 200 or less all out, including four of 100 or less all out.

The working theory is that short-form cricket has done its damnedest. In England, it has great traction. Its success in one-day cricket inflects on its Test batting, not always well. England are responsible for a handful of the 400-plus scores, and three of the sub-100 scores.

Batsmen play more shots and get out sooner for lower scores, meaning shorter time at the wicket and less practice in the art of staying in, leading to lower scores, and so the spiral goes on."


https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/reverse-reversal-starc-s-inclusion-unlikely-to-swing-trend-20190904-p52nzr.html
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Where have Australia's batsmen ... gone?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27803276/where-australia-batsmen-other-steve-smith-gone

"While there are global issues around batting to be debated, in Australia most of the focus, by commentators and pundits, has been on technique. However, state coaches are almost in universal agreement that this is too simplistic a view.

"I think there is an element of people critiquing technique a lot," Victoria coach Andrew McDonald said. "So players feel compelled to tinker and find the perfect technique rather than finding the technique that best works for them, which is something that's repeatable.
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The challenge for young players is much harder than it used to be. This is the first generation that grew up trying to develop a game that can be successful across all three formats. Some younger players are now getting to the stage where they don't play any long-form cricket in their youth. Cricket Australia removed red-ball matches from the Under-17 and U-19 national championships in 2015-16, making them exclusively limited-overs tournaments.

"Young batters coming through the system up until the U-19 programme are only playing white-ball cricket, especially at interstate tournaments and national carnivals," Griffith said. "All we're doing is preparing them for white-ball cricket. When they get up to the next level, they don't know how to construct an innings. They don't know how to bat for time because they never have had to bat for time." "
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