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inxs88
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| BigKeyForward wrote: | | barrackers wrote: | @BigKeyForward your Grundy thread has this outcome
| Quote: | B.Grundy, T.Broomhead --- to Adelaide
R.O'Brien, H.Greenwood and Pick 3 ---- to Collingwood |
meaning the rest of this deal is
| Quote: | Collingwood
(In): L.Franklin,
(Out): T. Langdon, T. Phillips, B. Sier and Pick 33
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That's a ridiculous amount to give up for an ageing Franklin who's on huge coin. It's arguably 1x first round pick (Langdon), 2x second round picks (Phillips & pick 33), 1x third round pick (Sier).
In terms of other clubs
| Quote: | In: J. Daniher, T. Phillips, T. Langdon
Out: L. Franklin, Pick 23
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Sydney wouldn't be able to sign the paperwork quick enough if the proposed trade was just Daniher for Franklin and pick 23 let alone adding Langdon and Phillips to the mix. Acquiring Daniher would cost the swans two first round picks, which is a heck of a lot more than Franklin and 23.
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Essendon
In: B. Sier, Pick 23
Out: J. Daniher
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Wasn't sure if it was possible, but Essendon is getting screwed more than us. They could probably force our hand and acquire Sier for a third round pick, best case we'd get their second round pick. There's no way they let Daniher go so cheaply. |
Check everybody's salary, it all fits.
1. Daniher has played 11/44 games in the past 2 seasons kicking 15.14
Franklin has played 29/44 kicking 84.61
Dont think that Daniher is worth 2 1st's
Essendon should be happy moving up in the draft, while gaining Sier ( A big need for them, they have no inside mids )
Sier has massive potential, dont-underrate him, not injury riddled like Daniher is and very young.
Sier was a pick 32 and has already been exposed to a GF!
In this case, Sier is much more important to Essendon than Daniher.
2. You must really rate Phillips, Langdon is no longer needed imo.
Sydney will only let Franklin go because they need to rebuild. Daniher becomes a project for them, while they need to replace some veterans
If they were not rebuilding I would expect them to knock us back to be honest.
3. Does everybody realise we are getting a Pick 3? chances are Melbourne don't select Noah Anderson leaving him for the pickings. |
This follow up proves you're a plant, troll, ring-in or shit stirrer! Why?
1. "You" must really rate Phillips: if you were bona fide you'd say "we"
2. "Noah Anderson": shall go Pick 2 to the Gold Coast whom have essentially been guaranteed this priority pick so the Dees don't get pick 2
Bugger off!
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BigKeyForward
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| inxs88 wrote: | | BigKeyForward wrote: | | barrackers wrote: | @BigKeyForward your Grundy thread has this outcome
| Quote: | B.Grundy, T.Broomhead --- to Adelaide
R.O'Brien, H.Greenwood and Pick 3 ---- to Collingwood |
meaning the rest of this deal is
| Quote: | Collingwood
(In): L.Franklin,
(Out): T. Langdon, T. Phillips, B. Sier and Pick 33
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That's a ridiculous amount to give up for an ageing Franklin who's on huge coin. It's arguably 1x first round pick (Langdon), 2x second round picks (Phillips & pick 33), 1x third round pick (Sier).
In terms of other clubs
| Quote: | In: J. Daniher, T. Phillips, T. Langdon
Out: L. Franklin, Pick 23
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Sydney wouldn't be able to sign the paperwork quick enough if the proposed trade was just Daniher for Franklin and pick 23 let alone adding Langdon and Phillips to the mix. Acquiring Daniher would cost the swans two first round picks, which is a heck of a lot more than Franklin and 23.
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Essendon
In: B. Sier, Pick 23
Out: J. Daniher
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Wasn't sure if it was possible, but Essendon is getting screwed more than us. They could probably force our hand and acquire Sier for a third round pick, best case we'd get their second round pick. There's no way they let Daniher go so cheaply. |
Check everybody's salary, it all fits.
1. Daniher has played 11/44 games in the past 2 seasons kicking 15.14
Franklin has played 29/44 kicking 84.61
Dont think that Daniher is worth 2 1st's
Essendon should be happy moving up in the draft, while gaining Sier ( A big need for them, they have no inside mids )
Sier has massive potential, dont-underrate him, not injury riddled like Daniher is and very young.
Sier was a pick 32 and has already been exposed to a GF!
In this case, Sier is much more important to Essendon than Daniher.
2. You must really rate Phillips, Langdon is no longer needed imo.
Sydney will only let Franklin go because they need to rebuild. Daniher becomes a project for them, while they need to replace some veterans
If they were not rebuilding I would expect them to knock us back to be honest.
3. Does everybody realise we are getting a Pick 3? chances are Melbourne don't select Noah Anderson leaving him for the pickings. |
This follow up proves you're a plant, troll, ring-in or shit stirrer! Why?
1. "You" must really rate Phillips: if you were bona fide you'd say "we"
2. "Noah Anderson": shall go Pick 2 to the Gold Coast whom have essentially been guaranteed this priority pick so the Dees don't get pick 2
Bugger off! |
Pay close attention!
1. (I) don't rate Phillips. AT ALL!!!!! Along with numerous others who voted in my poll...
2. Who cares? We get someone else with pick 3 or 4 or whatever it is
Now squirt off Sherlock
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| BigKeyForward wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | This guy has to be a troll, been here ten bloody minutes and wants us to get a hack like ageing Buddy whose well past his best well past it ,Unreal. |
84 goals 61 points in 29 games these past 2 seasons.
In a Sydney team that is bottom of the leauge for forward 50 entry!!!!!!!
Far from a hack, still better than Cox and Checkers combined |
Hes getting on mate, hes ageing and slowing down, too old now for us. 
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Piesnchess
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By the way, anyone who dismisses Langdon so easy, not needed u said the bloke we have really, really missed this whole damn season, who was best for us in last yrs GF, tells me are a bloody troll, so be a good lad. and run back to ur sandpit, and leave real Collingwood fans here, we don't need advise from quisling trolls like u. !
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BigKeyForward
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | By the way, anyone who dismisses Langdon so easy, not needed u said the bloke we have really, really missed this whole damn season, who was best for us in last yrs GF, tells me are a bloody troll, so be a good lad. and run back to ur sandpit, and leave real Collingwood fans here, we don't need advise from quisling trolls like u. ! |
Isn't it a coincidence that all the Phillips fan boys love Langdon too...
Cant have Moore Shaz Howe Langdon Roughead all in the backline
Im starting to doubt your knowlege on the game.
Who is better, Moore or Langdon?
Without Langdon we had the 2nd or 1st best defence all year!!!!!!
Best you say????? I recall Adams and DeGoey being Collingwood best
Yes Langdon has a good mark and tremendous positioning, however he is not physical, too slow, and at times a poor decision maker.
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qldmagpie67
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| Post subject: Re: A Blockbuster 4 way deal | |
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| BigKeyForward wrote: | Collingwood send ---- Tom Langdon, Tom Phillips to Sydney
Collingwood send ---- Brayden Sier to Essendon
Collingwood send ---- B.Grundy, T.Broomhead to Adelaide
Collingwood send ---- Pick 33 to Adelaide
Adelaide send ---- R.O'Brien, H.Greenwood to Collingwood
Adelaide send ---- Pick 3 to Collingwood
Sydney send ---- Lance Franklin to Collingwood
Sydney send ---- Pick 23 to Essendon
Essendon send ---- J. Daniher to Sydney
BKF the issue with the plan starts with Langdon is busted and is rumoured to have been offered medical retirement already so no club will want him regardless of the price
Secondly Phillips isn’t as good as people think he gets away with a bit because of the remainder of the mids
Thirdly Franklin is a game by game option at best I doubt he will play on past next season anyways
The rest doesn’t matter as the deal falls apart at the beginning
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Sydney
In: J. Daniher, T. Phillips, T. Langdon
Out: L. Franklin, Pick 23
Essendon
In: B. Sier, Pick 23
Out: J. Daniher
Adelaide
In: B. Grundy, T. Broomhead, Pick 33
Out: R. O'brien, H. Greenwood, Pick 3
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Collingwood
(In): L.Franklin, R'Obrien, H.Greenwood and Pick 3
(Out): B.Grundy, T. Broomhead, T. Langdon, T. Phillips, B. Sier and Pick 33
FB: Howe Roughead Maynard
HB: Quaynor Scharenberg Moore
C: Sidebottom Pendlebury Crisp
HF: H.Greenwood Franklin DeGoey
FF: Stephenson MasonCox J. Elliot
Foll: O'Brien Adams Treloar
Int: Mayne Thomas Pick3 Daicos/Brown/Aish |
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BigKeyForward
Joined: 22 Sep 2019
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| Post subject: Re: A Blockbuster 4 way deal | |
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| qldmagpie67 wrote: | | BigKeyForward wrote: | Collingwood send ---- Tom Langdon, Tom Phillips to Sydney
Collingwood send ---- Brayden Sier to Essendon
Collingwood send ---- B.Grundy, T.Broomhead to Adelaide
Collingwood send ---- Pick 33 to Adelaide
Adelaide send ---- R.O'Brien, H.Greenwood to Collingwood
Adelaide send ---- Pick 3 to Collingwood
Sydney send ---- Lance Franklin to Collingwood
Sydney send ---- Pick 23 to Essendon
Essendon send ---- J. Daniher to Sydney
BKF the issue with the plan starts with Langdon is busted and is rumoured to have been offered medical retirement already so no club will want him regardless of the price
Secondly Phillips isn’t as good as people think he gets away with a bit because of the remainder of the mids
Thirdly Franklin is a game by game option at best I doubt he will play on past next season anyways
The rest doesn’t matter as the deal falls apart at the beginning
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Sydney
In: J. Daniher, T. Phillips, T. Langdon
Out: L. Franklin, Pick 23
Essendon
In: B. Sier, Pick 23
Out: J. Daniher
Adelaide
In: B. Grundy, T. Broomhead, Pick 33
Out: R. O'brien, H. Greenwood, Pick 3
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Collingwood
(In): L.Franklin, R'Obrien, H.Greenwood and Pick 3
(Out): B.Grundy, T. Broomhead, T. Langdon, T. Phillips, B. Sier and Pick 33
FB: Howe Roughead Maynard
HB: Quaynor Scharenberg Moore
C: Sidebottom Pendlebury Crisp
HF: H.Greenwood Franklin DeGoey
FF: Stephenson MasonCox J. Elliot
Foll: O'Brien Adams Treloar
Int: Mayne Thomas Pick3 Daicos/Brown/Aish |
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Damn it qldmagpie67,
I was trying to keep the Langdon news on the low, lol
Seriously I didn't know that. That's terrible news
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Mr Miyagi
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| Jecinta does not want to leave Sydney. Buddy to Collingwood won't happen without a divorce. |
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Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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| Post subject: Re: A Blockbuster 4 way deal | |
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| BigKeyForward wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | ...
BKF the issue with the plan starts with Langdon is busted and is rumoured to have been offered medical retirement already so no club will want him regardless of the price
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Damn it qldmagpie67,
I was trying to keep the Langdon news on the low, lol
Seriously I didn't know that. That's terrible news |
It contradicts the latest post in the Injury & Illness thread. |
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Bucks5 
Nicky D - Parting the red sea
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The cost attached to Franklin is too high as he still has several years to go on his 10 year contract.
We would be better off converting Grundy into our own athletic full forward if we didn't want him to ruck.
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BigKeyForward
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| Bucks5 wrote: | The cost attached to Franklin is too high as he still has several years to go on his 10 year contract.
We would be better off converting Grundy into our own athletic full forward if we didn't want him to ruck. |
That's why you trade player(s) which equal his contract value
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BigKeyForward
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Eddie, It's time to push the button
We need a weapon of mass-destruction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcmUQub_uUI
I'll eat 2-min noodles for dinner everynight for the whole of next season, to help pay for Franklin!!!!
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Mr Miyagi
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| Jesinta does not want to move away from Sydney. Buddy ain't going nowhere without her permission. |
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| BigKeyForward wrote: | ...
I'll eat 2-min noodles for dinner everynight for the whole of next season, to help pay for Franklin!!!! |
How does that get around the salary cap? Do 2-min noodles come in brown paper bags? |
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barrackers
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| BigKeyForward wrote: |
Check everybody's salary, it all fits.
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Potentially it does from a salary perspective, Franklin's on 1.5 mil himself. While existing contracts may affect a players trade value it's far from the only consideration when determining value. Other aspects include age, injury, trending form and list needs.
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1. Daniher has played 11/44 games in the past 2 seasons kicking 15.14
Franklin has played 29/44 kicking 84.61
Dont think that Daniher is worth 2 1st's
Essendon should be happy moving up in the draft, while gaining Sier ( A big need for them, they have no inside mids )
Sier has massive potential, dont-underrate him, not injury riddled like Daniher is and very young.
Sier was a pick 32 and has already been exposed to a GF!
In this case, Sier is much more important to Essendon than Daniher.
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Undoubtably Daniher has been injury prone, however there's no doubting his talent. As an example he nearly won the game for Essendon on ANZAC day. Get him fit and he'll be a star of the comp.
Franklin turns 33 in January and will be 35 in the last year of his contract. Being tied to his initial restricted free agency contract means that contract is fixed. He averaged 0.5 less goals, 0.5 less behinds (or 1 less shot on goal combined) and 3.5 disposals per game in 2019. My main concern regarding Franklin though is his mobility understandably looks to be diminishing at a time where mobility as a forward is becoming more important. He's also never been that great overhead.
From a Collingwood scenario and under your proposed trade it's meaningless to us who's better. Langdon, Phillips, Sier and 33 is still way too much for Franklin, who I obviously don't rate nearly as highly as you at this twilight stage of his career.
| Quote: | 2. You must really rate Phillips, Langdon is no longer needed imo.
Sydney will only let Franklin go because they need to rebuild. Daniher becomes a project for them, while they need to replace some veterans
If they were not rebuilding I would expect them to knock us back to be honest.
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I'm not a massive fan of Phillips, and he is one I consider tradable for the right deal. Even with questionable skills a 23 year old hard running winger who's had over 550 disposals the previous two seasons will hold value to opposition clubs. A pick in the 20s or 30s is very achievable.
Langdon I would have traded for the right deal at the end of 2018. His superb finals series would have been forefront in the minds of opposition clubs and as you say we have list coverage.
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3. Does everybody realise we are getting a Pick 3? chances are Melbourne don't select Noah Anderson leaving him for the pickings. |
Pick 3 will become pick 4. By all reports Anderson won't last past pick 2. |
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