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watt price tully
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I’ve appointed myself manager at work and admiral of the Navy. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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stui magpie
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Let us know how that works out for you. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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eddiesmith
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stui magpie wrote: | "Political norms and conventions". Isn't that just a different way of saying "Custom and practice" which is the way things normally get done, even though there's no rules or policy in place to say it has to be done that way?
I'm not defending Morrison, I just don't get the angst.
I get why Ministers would feel pissed off that the boss got sworn in to get their ministerial powers without telling them, but why would Albo be so worked up? |
Because he needs to get everyone worked up over something, must have something to hide or he wants people to forget the Greens caved to him on the first bill out of the gate.
It’s one of those things people just get upset about because they follow politics like football teams.
It’s clear Albo will be trying to throw as much dirt as they can now they’ve got the keys, when Dans sins catch up to him I imagine the shredders in Spring St will be working overtime |
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David
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stui magpie wrote: | I get why Ministers would feel pissed off that the boss got sworn in to get their ministerial powers without telling them, but why would Albo be so worked up? |
That's pretty much my impression. The people who should be (and apparently are) most upset about this are Liberals, and fair enough I guess. But for me it's pretty low on the last government's list of sins, especially in the specific realm of things they hid from the public – for me, Morrison having a few secret extra ministerial responsibilities is dwarfed in importance by, for instance, that government's many abuses of national security legislation.
Edit: here's Morrison's justification:
https://www.facebook.com/scottmorrisonmp/posts/pfbid0agDnQAkaf8LsywUqYb3wHw55HNe4Pda5sKzBhWtAAqWDAe4G62yg7FXUGxEzumVcl
On face value, at least, it seems a fairly reasonable excuse, and if he's telling the truth, I hope that those still condemning it on principle weren't the first ones to leap to the defence of the various convention-breaking measures taken by the Andrews government during the pandemic that increased the governing party's powers or reduced democratic accountability. _________________ All watched over by machines of loving grace |
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Pies4shaw
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Putting aside the politics - as to which I don’t give a toss - it was an unacceptable interference with the doctrines of ministerial accountability and parliamentary sovereignty. It might not have been harmful in this case but it simply must not and cannot happen. The Governor-General should not have accepted the appointments absent a guarantee of public notification. The strange thing about it is that I can’t see any particular reason why secrecy was apt, still less necessary. It was just a misconceived approach. |
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watt price tully
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stui magpie wrote: | Let us know how that works out for you. |
Looks like Morrison already appointed himself Admiral 🤦♂️ _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman
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stui magpie
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You elderly are so easily amused. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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eddiesmith
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The hypocrisy of the left…
2019-ScoMo can’t delegate responsibility he has to do everything himself
2022- ScoMo can’t interfere in other portfolios, he has to trust his Ministers… |
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eddiesmith
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David wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | I get why Ministers would feel pissed off that the boss got sworn in to get their ministerial powers without telling them, but why would Albo be so worked up? |
That's pretty much my impression. The people who should be (and apparently are) most upset about this are Liberals, and fair enough I guess. But for me it's pretty low on the last government's list of sins, especially in the specific realm of things they hid from the public – for me, Morrison having a few secret extra ministerial responsibilities is dwarfed in importance by, for instance, that government's many abuses of national security legislation.
Edit: here's Morrison's justification:
https://www.facebook.com/scottmorrisonmp/posts/pfbid0agDnQAkaf8LsywUqYb3wHw55HNe4Pda5sKzBhWtAAqWDAe4G62yg7FXUGxEzumVcl
On face value, at least, it seems a fairly reasonable excuse, and if he's telling the truth, I hope that those still condemning it on principle weren't the first ones to leap to the defence of the various convention-breaking measures taken by the Andrews government during the pandemic that increased the governing party's powers or reduced democratic accountability. |
But Dan didn’t appoint himself minister, as far as we know, he simply sidelined every single one of them and ran the state from his office, much more acceptable.
That is except for the decisions they $%$ed up, then he’s happy to pass the buck. |
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stui magpie
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Don't forget that the CHO had the power at the time to make the rules, but wasn't allowed to. Dan made the rules and the CHO signed them off, with zero transparency. _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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watt price tully
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Bloody iPhones 😉
stui magpie wrote: | You elderly are so easily amused. |
😉 the Malevolent Misogynistic Muppet Morrison continues to give (even in opposition) now shows remarkable Misunderstanding of the Australian Constitution. His former colleagues are quite rightly livid. He’s also thrown the GG under the bus with the GG saying he would have expected the PM not to be secretive about the appointments. The GG is quite right.
Many similarities with Idi Amin who appointed himself Field Marshall 😂
My girlfriend Laura Tingle and a leading constitutional expert in law nailed it again on the 7:30 report tonight showing just how ill informed Scotty as evidenced by his underwhelming presser today.
His Liberal Party and National Party colleagues are furious with this pathetic excuse of a former PM.
As I noted earlier this is all about accountability a hallmark of the Westminster System of Government. _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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watt price tully
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David wrote: | stui magpie wrote: | I get why Ministers would feel pissed off that the boss got sworn in to get their ministerial powers without telling them, but why would Albo be so worked up? |
That's pretty much my impression. The people who should be (and apparently are) most upset about this are Liberals, and fair enough I guess. But for me it's pretty low on the last government's list of sins, especially in the specific realm of things they hid from the public – for me, Morrison having a few secret extra ministerial responsibilities is dwarfed in importance by, for instance, that government's many abuses of national security legislation.
Edit: here's Morrison's justification:
https://www.facebook.com/scottmorrisonmp/posts/pfbid0agDnQAkaf8LsywUqYb3wHw55HNe4Pda5sKzBhWtAAqWDAe4G62yg7FXUGxEzumVcl
On face value, at least, it seems a fairly reasonable excuse, and if he's telling the truth, I hope that those still condemning it on principle weren't the first ones to leap to the defence of the various convention-breaking measures taken by the Andrews government during the pandemic that increased the governing party's powers or reduced democratic accountability. |
I hope you haven’t appointed yourself a constitutional lawyer; Morrison’s made it worse not better and has placed the GG in an invidious position.
I draw your attention to those who know (not just moi)
https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/ _________________ “I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman |
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watt price tully
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stui magpie
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The fetish for the ex PM continues.
According to sources, Brett Rutten has been shattered to find he's out of a job. Clarkson is also having to revisit his options as news emerged that Scomo installed himself as Essendon Coach 6 months ago _________________ Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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