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Dave The Man 
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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5 from the wing on debut
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| Mr Miyagi wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | I reckon HUB be a Fail because you won't get some players will Refuse to go because of not allowed Family to be with them |
yeah nah.
Those who refuse to be with the team won't be with the team for long. If the leadership group say yes, no one wanting to stay at the Club will refuse. |
That'd be a solid case for unfair dismissal. And let's promote a culture of bullying and peer pressure -- that worked in the past, didn't it? |
Apart from perhaps a draftee it's very unlikely that an AFL footballer would be able to pursue an unfair dismissal claim. I am not aware of one of those claims ever being made by an AFL player. Breach of contract perhaps, but I assume that the contract says that the player will play where he is told to play, and must follow all reasonable directions of the employer. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | Mr Miyagi wrote: | | What'sinaname wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | | I reckon HUB be a Fail because you won't get some players will Refuse to go because of not allowed Family to be with them |
yeah nah.
Those who refuse to be with the team won't be with the team for long. If the leadership group say yes, no one wanting to stay at the Club will refuse. |
That'd be a solid case for unfair dismissal. And let's promote a culture of bullying and peer pressure -- that worked in the past, didn't it? |
Apart from perhaps a draftee it's very unlikely that an AFL footballer would be able to pursue an unfair dismissal claim. I am not aware of one of those claims ever being made by an AFL player. Breach of contract perhaps, but I assume that the contract says that the player will play where he is told to play, and must\ follow all reasonable directions of the employer. |
Well be silly for Teams to Force Players to do things with this Pandemic we have
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burnsy17 
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If the AFL finds a solution and the players don’t want to play, they can take leave without pay like the rest of society have had to.
They can’t not play, and be paid for it.
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think positive 
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I agree burnsey, however I’ll take it further.
Thishub thing is bullshit. Depression is already becoming more prevalent you want to tear apart young families? Where as the single dickheads could probably benefit families could be destroyed. It’s a game for God’s sake! Lots of people have been stood down and have to live on a hell of a lot less than they are used too. Just think, if these guys had to make do on a few hundred a week for a while, they might bloody appreciate the opportunity that footy is!
The NRL players and the head honchos once again proved they cannot be trustedto do the right thing, suspended sentences? Bullshit.
These dickhead could infect others. Just no. It’s not time yet. And it sends a bad message to the res5 of the community who are already champing a5 the bit to get back to normal. Thing is, I don’t believe that normal will ever exist again.
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What'sinaname
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^ I think losing a year would do more damage to a player mental wellbeing than the hub. Imagine you or I being told we can't work for say 4 years...that's what happening to footballer who are at risk of losing 1 year out of say 10 they have being a footballer.
If the players don't play, the players go on job keeper....can they cope on $1,500 a fortnight?
Players already live in a weird bubble.....they can't drink during the season, have to be at the club everyday or doing things associated with football...clinics, hospital visits. Hub is no different.
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think positive
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| What'sinaname wrote: | ^ I think losing a year would do more damage to a player mental wellbeing than the hub. Imagine you or I being told we can't work for say 4 years...that's what happening to footballer who are at risk of losing 1 year out of say 10 they have being a footballer.
If the players don't play, the players go on job keeper....can they cope on $1,500 a fortnight?
Players already live in a weird bubble.....they can't drink during the season, have to be at the club everyday or doing things associated with football...clinics, hospital visits. Hub is no different. |
plenty of people who have nothing saved have to, so thats not a valid reason to me.
the players already said they want their families with them, which is understandable, but who will pay for that? will the players?
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BazBoy
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Today on ABC the GF was speculated to be October 28
We are October specialist
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mattdally
Joined: 21 Feb 2003
Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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| If they don't want to play then they cannot be paid. Simple as that. Like every other business in the world. It's not hard to work out, but footy players are a special bunch - their ability to process the most basic and simple situations is beyond the capability of a significant number of them. |
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Pies4shaw 
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| That’s not the analysis, though, is it? They are entitled to be heard on the question whether it is fair, medically appropriate or sensible to require that they do this. |
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Mr Miyagi
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Oh the poor modern footballer having to go half a year without work (but still earn decent coin). How on earth did players survive before full-time wages were a thing and they had to hold a day job to pay their mortgages? There's this thing called online study too -- start a degree and get ready for life after footy, quit sitting around on your arse playing indoor golf and XBox and showing off on Instagram, use the opportunity to better yourselves.
Anyways, I'm with the players boycotting a five-month quarantine hub. Think how Treloar feels with a newborn, and he's also been public about his mental health battles. And the cricket players can piss off with their "waaah, it's not fair, we have to leave our families when we tour..."
The AFL should be doing better, instead of bending over for their corporate sponsorships (namely Sportsbet etc and TV networks). |
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What'sinaname
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I don't get the angst about the hubs. It's likely the only way football can be played this year, and it's a once off thing.
Also, playing again means the assistants and support staff who have been stood down, are re-employed. Umpires get back to work.
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PyreneesPie 
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| Dave The Man wrote: | Players said they have there Families in Hubs or Season will be Called Off
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If the season is not played in some form or another, that will spell the end of AFL footy as we know it (whether that is a good thing or not is another debate). The AFL could not survive for another year without an income from broadcasting rights. The clubs cannot survive without some sort of payout from those broadcasting rights.
If the season has to start within hubs, because of medical grounds, then so be it. The alternative is to kiss AFL footy goodbye permanently.
If particular players don't/can't participate then they don't, but they cannot get paid for non-participation. I'm sure the individual clubs will do all in their power to ensure that families are well supported in all respects while their partners are away. I am sure clubs will do all they can to support the mental health of their players while they are away.
To my mind, everyone employed through football - players, coaches, other assigned staff - has to either be resilient and make the hubs work satisfactorily or be out of work permanently. |
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Dave The Man
Joined: 01 Apr 2005
Location: Someville, Victoria, Australia
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Players said they have there Families in Hubs or Season will be Called Off
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If the season is not played in some form or another, that will spell the end of AFL footy as we know it (whether that is a good thing or not is another debate). The AFL could not survive for another year without an income from broadcasting rights. The clubs cannot survive without some sort of payout from those broadcasting rights.
If the season has to start within hubs, because of medical grounds, then so be it. The alternative is to kiss AFL footy goodbye permanently.
If particular players don't/can't participate then they don't, but they cannot get paid for non-participation. I'm sure the individual clubs will do all in their power to ensure that families are well supported in all respects while their partners are away. I am sure clubs will do all they can to support the mental health of their players while they are away.
To my mind, everyone employed through football - players, coaches, other assigned staff - has to either be resilient and make the hubs work satisfactorily or be out of work permanently. |
So the AFL would do anything to get this Season Going?
AFL Players have a Big Advantage then at the Negotiation Table then
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So the AFL would do anything to get this Season Going?
AFL Players have a Big Advantage then at the Negotiation Table then |
Everyone employed in the footy industry has a very essential and vested interest in getting it going this season. For sure, there will have to be negotiation between players and AFL. No doubt the AFL are quite prepared for that and concessions will be made eg maybe players can bring families with them, if they pay for all expenses, including COVID testing???
I think the AFL have been quite cunning actually - have allowed the hub concept to be let loose on players, media and football public, without any specific details (which conveniently can't be released, until a plan is endorsed by the national COVID Cabinet). They can now sit back and watch the debates happen and the fur fly, while gauging how far and what they need to concede to players and clubs. Who knows? They may have carefully created the worst scenario in order to get to the position they actually expected and can carry through on in the first place. |
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