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punkologist 
Barwick goals, the pies are home!
Joined: 07 Jul 2003
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| Raw Hammer wrote: | | A season of empty stadiums can only help us. No building tension and pressure from the crowd, no umpires getting off screwing Collingwood fans in the flesh. Just pure footy. Round 1 gave us a small glimpse. |
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If every week is like round 1, I'm all for no crowds all season haha |
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PyreneesPie 
PyreneesPie
Joined: 22 Aug 2014
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The premiership race has been unfair for the past 35 years, if not more. Why do people think this is any worse?
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Very true I reckon K. With the present plan of playing every other team just once, that alone removes one of the factors creating an uneven competition for the 8 this season. |
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PyreneesPie
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| Raw Hammer wrote: | | A season of empty stadiums can only help us. No building tension and pressure from the crowd, no umpires getting off screwing Collingwood fans in the flesh. Just pure footy. Round 1 gave us a small glimpse. |
I agree with this entirely RH.
I have often wondered whether the crowds have far more effect on umpiring decisions, rather than on the players' efforts and performance?
In the past, coaches have openly suggested that home crowds have influenced umpires at venues like Adelaide Oval and Subiaco when interstate teams were playing there.
On the other hand, apart from the those exceptional circumstances where a hostile crowd will boo a particular player eg Adam Goodes, Jobe Watson, or have a particular chant that accompanies a player eg Toooooves, most players say they are oblivious to the crowd during a game - it's just there as background noise. |
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Piesnchess
piesnchess
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| K wrote: | | Bucks5 wrote: | ...
To me the only difference is that this year's flag may not be awarded to the most skillful or best coached team, ... |
How is that a difference?
The premiership race has been unfair for the past 35 years, if not more. Why do people think this is any worse?
| Piesnchess wrote: | | ..., a Premiership won inside a massive empty stadium is NOT a true flag, many GFs have been decided by the roar of the crowd,make no mistake about that, 100 000 fans screaming their heads off is what REAL FOOTY AND GRAND FINALS is all about, this is not real, ... |
That is really an extreme view. We lose GFs because of that stupid GF crowd. There weren't 100 000 GF crowds before the 1930s.
In the war years, the GF crowds were (in backwards order) 62986 (you think Carlton cares??), 43000, 42100 (you think Richmond cares??), 49000 (you think Essendon cares??).
Our 1927 flag was won in front of only 34551.
Our 1917 flag was won in front of only 28512.
Yes, those flags are real to me.  |
u totally forget the population of Melbourne and Victoria was far, far lower then, and for those days it was a damn good turnout of fans. Never has a GF been won with NO fans, there, no crowds, its insane, even my two sons had big crowd of a few hundred at their respective junior grand finals, this is just mickey mousse bullshit for the damn television rights, nothing more. 
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Piesnchess
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Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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| punkologist wrote: | | Raw Hammer wrote: | | A season of empty stadiums can only help us. No building tension and pressure from the crowd, no umpires getting off screwing Collingwood fans in the flesh. Just pure footy. Round 1 gave us a small glimpse. |
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If every week is like round 1, I'm all for no crowds all season haha |
it was just eerie and weird to me, just utterly ludicrous. u could hear crickets chirping in background nearly. Not for me.
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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| Piesnchess wrote: | ...
u totally forget the population of Melbourne and Victoria was far, far lower then, and for those days it was a damn good turnout of fans. Never has a GF been won with NO fans, there, no crowds, its insane, even my two sons had big crowd of a few hundred at their respective junior grand finals, this is just mickey mousse bullshit for the damn television rights, nothing more. |
That's irrelevant. The footballers hearing the crowd don't adjust the volume level to the total population of the state.
Before the war, in 1938, the crowd was 96486. (If you don't remember which club won and which side lost that GF, don't ask.  ) In war time, things change.
You're elevating spectators to some cult status. Weird. |
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the fuzz
Fuzz loves Bruzz
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| Piesnchess, so you're not going to even watch? |
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PyreneesPie
PyreneesPie
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | this is just mickey mousse bullshit for the damn television rights, nothing more. |
I really doubt whether the players and coaches will think it's mickey mousse!!! After all they will go through to get on the ground, I'm thinking they will want to make it well worth their trouble. 
Plus, you may be under-estimating how much most players love playing the game and engaging in the combative nature of it.
"damn televeision rights" are what's keeping the game afloat at the moment. |
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Fatui Attata
Joined: 29 Sep 2009
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We can still play footy without a crowd (and win convincingly by 52 pts)
Without footy, a crowd becomes a pack of loiterers with no footy to watch.
Which comes first? Chicken or egg?
Footy or crowd?
It's a no brainer, but keep up with the whinging PNC 
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Raw Hammer
Joined: 11 Sep 2008
Location: The Gutter
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | punkologist wrote: | | Raw Hammer wrote: | | A season of empty stadiums can only help us. No building tension and pressure from the crowd, no umpires getting off screwing Collingwood fans in the flesh. Just pure footy. Round 1 gave us a small glimpse. |
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If every week is like round 1, I'm all for no crowds all season haha |
it was just eerie and weird to me, just utterly ludicrous. u could hear crickets chirping in background nearly. Not for me. |
I agree, it’s shockingly bad. But if it helps us win a flag, so be it.
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PyreneesPie
PyreneesPie
Joined: 22 Aug 2014
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I think this fits here in the pre-game thread ..... I've been taking particular note, when viewing all media images and videos of the boys at training, of the condition of JDG. Blow me down, but I reckon he's become a lot leaner over the enforced lay-off.  Really pleased about this as I thought there was a risk he may have slackened off and ballooned out a bit instead. Pendles' biceps have gotten even bigger - he's rivalling Chris Tarrant in his hey day now |
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K
Joined: 09 Sep 2011
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | this is just mickey mousse bullshit for the damn television rights, nothing more. |
I really doubt whether the players and coaches will think it's mickey mousse!!! ... |
PPie, I'll have some of that Mickey Mousse, and if Pnc doesn't want his share I'll take his too.
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
rd10.1998_11.1#36
Joined: 18 Jul 2018
Location: Sevilla, Spain
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| Piesnchess wrote: | | Never has a GF been won with NO fans, there, no crowds, its insane, even my two sons had big crowd of a few hundred at their respective junior grand finals, this is just mickey mousse bullshit for the damn television rights, nothing more. |
You're right, it's never happened, ever. So maybe you could wait until it does happen, or even until it is confirmed, before bellyaching about it any more. You're just repeating yourself ad naseum, we all know what you think about it. Had a gutfull of it frankly
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neil 
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Location: Queensland
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TV rights are 70 % of the AFLs income P&C and others, either stop whinging about it or come up with an alternative
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PyreneesPie
PyreneesPie
Joined: 22 Aug 2014
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| K wrote: |
PPie, I'll have some of that Mickey Mousse, and if Pnc doesn't want his share I'll take his too.
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Oh my, I'll have several servings of that!! |
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