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Wokko 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Apart from the people who're actually demonstrating about George and Police brutality against Blacks in general, the protests have been infiltrated by extremists of all flavours from Antifa on the left to Boogaloo and white supremacists on the right, all pushing their own agendas, instigating violence and illegal behaviour. |
There's been zero proof of right wingers, that was a bizarre talking point of Democrat Governors and media. There's been some militia guarding shops but I've seen nothing else to suggest that white supremacists or 2A/2nd civil war types are involved. Many seem to be actively NOT getting involved because they know the media are salivating at the hope of "Armed, violent white supremacists" shooting at blacks. |
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Wonka
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| You know democracy is dying when CNN journalists are arrested and Australian journalists are beaten up by police. |
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Pies4shaw 
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| David wrote: | | Who's talking about Antifa? While I have no doubt they're involved in the protests and perhaps some of the destruction, they're hardly primary contributors. I think you (and Trump) are vastly exaggerating their numbers. |
Precisely. Anyone would think reading some of this that there was some genuine, organised left wing movement capable of fighting its way out of a paper-bag in the US. The role of conspiracy theory, here, is to assist people to pretend that there isn’t actually a spontaneous movement born of 3 centuries of deliberate, abject subjugation and that there is, rather, some small bunch of left-wing agitators”controlling” this (as if this were capable of being controlled). Whoever might be involved from place to place, this is a genuine grassroots response by the actual oppressed.
As for the fascist presence, tthe neofascist national administration and the local constabulary are doing their head kicking for them, so their contribution isn’t required. |
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David 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Apart from the people who're actually demonstrating about George and Police brutality against Blacks in general, the protests have been infiltrated by extremists of all flavours from Antifa on the left to Boogaloo and white supremacists on the right, all pushing their own agendas, instigating violence and illegal behaviour. |
Look, it's hard to say given our distance from all of this, but my impression is that – with the exception of a presumed minority of gleeful arsonists and window-smashers along for the ride – everyone, black or white, Antifa or otherwise, is there with a pretty clear and unified agenda, and that is to demonstrate resistance to the system that resulted in this man's (and many others') violent death.
Why I think there are links to the Hong Kong protests is that that, like there, a large number of oppressed people (there, the people of Hong Kong; in the US, African-Americans, poor whites and other subjugated groups) are putting in a last-ditch effort to stand up and be counted against a seemingly insurmountable opponent (there, the Hong Kong government as a proxy of the Chinese government; in the US, the hyper-militarised police force). I think we tend to romanticise foreign struggles against totalitarian oppression, but if you look deeply into news coverage of the Hong Kong protests you'll probably find a fair bit of property damage and violence. Unfortunately, such things are probably an inevitable consequence of any protest movement of this scale – and certainly not any reason to back down.
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stui magpie 
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I think that's a stretch.
Hong Kong is a geographically small area, one city, where the local government hasn't oppressed them, lots have fled China to get away from oppression and they're protesting China exerting increasing control.
They're protesting against looming oppression, not historic oppression. The only thing they have in common is they're protests and they've gone OTT with arson, vandalism and looting.
The USA is geographically similar size to Aus and eacxh city has it's own culture and issues and there's a lot of them. Also, "resistance to the system" that killed George Floyd implies institutionalised racism across all Police departments nationally when the only thing they have in common is the name "Police".
George Floyds brother has said, stop burning stuff, educate yourself and enrol to vote. Local government officials control the Police, they're voted in by locals. The "system" that enabled the killing of George Floyd isn't some conspiracy either, it's a melange of historic components combined with all the cultural attributes of poverty.
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Retired police captain shot to death at St. Louis pawn shop in slaying caught on Facebook Live.
ST. LOUIS — A retired police captain was shot to death by looters at a St. Louis pawn shop early Tuesday and his killing apparently was broadcast on Facebook Live.
David Dorn, 77, was shot in the torso about 2:30 a.m. He died on the sidewalk in front of the shop, Lee’s Pawn & Jewelry, at 4123 Martin Luther King Drive.
The Ethical Society of Police, which represents black officers in St. Louis, mourned Dorn as “the type of brother that would’ve given his life to save them if he had to.”
Flowers and a teddy bear sat outside the shop next to a handwritten sign that read, “Y’all killed a black man because ‘they’ killed a black man??? Rest in peace.”
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/retired-police-captain-shot-to-death-at-st-louis-pawn-shop-in-slaying-caught-on/article_d482138c-0224-5393-bd87-9898bebb3fd1.amp.html
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Jezza 
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^ Tragic news.
The radical left groups won't care though because it doesn't suit the narrative. They've been silent on frequent gang violence in Chicago for years which has killed many black people.
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Pies4shaw
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What radical left groups, Jezza? We’re you frightened by an ALP-right politician as a child?
What “narrative”?
You ascribe power, influence and control to forces that, in this context, simply don’t exist. |
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Wokko
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Wokko
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For two blokes with a broken down VW, Antifa do get around, don’t they?
Mind you, your presently irrelevant list of bad things that may not have been done by homicidal white supremacist police could be exhibit A for repealing the Second Amendment. Wouldn’t be a bad time to do it - the police (racists and other) have been disregarding the First for days. |
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Going back to the bad cops issue, I have not heard anybody mention steroid use which by some accounts is rampant across the police forces. I read some articles where cops mention it puts them 'on edge'. Was officer Noor or Yanez ever tested for anabolics after their shootings?
Do cops ever get tested? |
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David
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It does strike me as ironic that this was exactly the sort of scenario that the second amendment was supposed to exist for – resisting tyranny. Yet most second amendment advocates, faced with an actual popular uprising for the first time in decades, will presumably be barracking for the cops (just as a lot of the protesters and their supporters would probably be in favour of gun control). The pro-gun Black Bloc anarchists might be the only ideologically consistent people left in the country...
In all seriousness, it’s just a reminder of how futile the second amendment is. You’d have more chance of toppling Assad or Putin than the armed-to-the-gills US police state. So much for the "land of the free".
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Wokko
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| David wrote: | It does strike me as ironic that this was exactly the sort of scenario that the second amendment was supposed to exist for – resisting tyranny. Yet most second amendment advocates, faced with an actual popular uprising for the first time in decades, will presumably be barracking for the cops (just as a lot of the protesters and their supporters would probably be in favour of gun control). The pro-gun Black Bloc anarchists might be the only ideologically consistent people left in the country...
In all seriousness, it’s just a reminder of how futile the second amendment is. You’d have more chance of toppling Assad or Putin than the armed-to-the-gills US police state. So much for the "land of the free". |
What motivation to 2A types have to come into Democrat cities and put themselves in harms way for people who hate them so the media can use them to push their anti gun narrative.
The biggest winner in all this has been the 2A, people in these cities called police when their stores were being looted,their livelihoods destroyed and homes threatened only to get told to **** off. The looters have been dissuaded from entering towns and areas with strong 2A support as shown above and in many other videos. They see armed citizens and move on when police do nothing. They stay in their little gun free zones and cause havoc. They won't even go into the suburbs because of armed home owners.
Ironic that the left are crying for the militias to resist tyranny and save them when they're the ones being the tyrants who have consistently tried to ban and take away guns from law abiding citizens. |
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