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Pies4shaw 
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| ^ It depends what the certifying doctor states on the death certificate. It may be varied, later, if the Coroner reaches a different conclusion from the doctor. What is important to appreciate is that the initial categorisation is the individual doctor's assessment - which might, of course, be correct or incorrect (everyone is fallible), not the consequence of some systematic, specially-Victorian corruption or slanting of the data. |
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David 
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The assertion that someone with COVID-19 who dies in a car accident will be listed as a coronavirus death is clearly false, at any rate. What seems to be at stake here is how co-morbidities are assessed, and I think P4S sums that up well.
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David
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4 new cases after reclassification. Lowest since 12 June, and equal lowest since 9 June, the last day when we had 0 new cases.
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eddiesmith 
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | ^ It depends what the certifying doctor states on the death certificate. It may be varied, later, if the Coroner reaches a different conclusion from the doctor. What is important to appreciate is that the initial categorisation is the individual doctor's assessment - which might, of course, be correct or incorrect (everyone is fallible), not the consequence of some systematic, specially-Victorian corruption or slanting of the data. |
But that’s the thing, if someone suffers a massive heart attack as happens hundreds of times every day, the doctor puts it down as a heart attack but later testing finds they were Covid positive, obviously the government’s position is to list that as a Covid death, but it doesn’t mean that caused their death
As the article you posted said, they count people who died with the virus, not just because of it.
It was also interesting that after the first few days when Andrews announced the daily death count and mentioned how many were older cases, he stopped doing it yet the daily death count has included older cases on most days since they started doing this.
The news are therefore reporting it as x died in the last 24 hours yet the media release that comes out later in the day has the real facts. |
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stui magpie 
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There is generally a consistent number of people who die in aged care each year of a variety of ailments.
It will be interesting to see how the 2020 data with reasons for death compares to historical numbers. My suspicion is that a large number of the aged care deaths were people who died with Covid 19, not necessarily because of it
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Tannin 
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The Premier's report does contain the "real facts". The fine points of detail which are published a little later in the day are also facts. It is disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise.
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K
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| Jezza wrote: | ... Wouldn't surprise me if Andrews was advised the curfew was unlawful, so he lifted it before the Supreme Court heard the matter.
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I'm wondering how that woman could afford to bring it to the Supreme Court. Was the Lib. Party paying for it? Normal people are frozen out of the legal system when they have far more serious need, because they don't have the money. |
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eddiesmith
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| Tannin wrote: | | The Premier's report does contain the "real facts". The fine points of detail which are published a little later in the day are also facts. It is disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise. |
I was comparing to the media report which reported one day "8 Victorians have died in the last 24 hours" yet the media release says 6 were older cases.
So the media didn't report the facts correctly, just assuming the 8 deaths had been in the last 24 hours as it was no longer broken down for them at the press conference.
Although I'm assuming the media get a far more detailed press release than the one released on the DHHS website as every day Andrews says "we'll make sure that's informations included in this afternoons CHO press release" yet it's never in the publicly available one |
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Pies4shaw
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| K wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | ... Wouldn't surprise me if Andrews was advised the curfew was unlawful, so he lifted it before the Supreme Court heard the matter.
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I'm wondering how that woman could afford to bring it to the Supreme Court. Was the Lib. Party paying for it? Normal people are frozen out of the legal system when they have far more serious need, because they don't have the money. |
Her solicitors appear to have briefed St Jude, so good luck to her with that one. |
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Jezza
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Latest numbers
Confirmed (Deaths) - Recoveries
USA = 7,321,465 (209,454) - 4,560,742
India = 6,079,350 (95,606) - 5,017,534
Brazil = 4,732,309 (141,776) - 4,060,088
Russia = 1,159,573 (20,385) - 945,920
Colombia = 813,056 (25,488) - 711,472
Peru = 805,302 (32,262) - 664,490
Mexico = 730,317 (76,430) - 523,831
Spain = 716,481 (31,232) - unknown
Argentina = 711,325 (15,749) - 565,935
South Africa = 670,766 (16,398) - 603,721
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Australia = 27,044 (875) - 24,676
33,327,820 confirmed cases
1,003,518 deaths
24,591,458 recoveries
Australia:
- Confirmed cases = 27,044
---- Victoria = 20,149
---- New South Wales = 4,218
---- Queensland = 1,157
---- Western Australia = 676
---- South Australia = 468
---- Tasmania = 230
---- ACT = 113
---- NT = 33
- Deaths = 875
- Recoveries = 24,676
- Case fatality rate = 3.24%
Active Cases = 7,732,844
- USA = 2,551,269
- India = 966,210
- Brazil = 530,445
- France = 411,951
- Russia = 193,268
- Mexico = 130,056
- Argentina = 129,641
- Ukraine = 108,856
- Peru = 108,550
- Belgium = 84,924
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- Australia = 455
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Jezza
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AUSTRALIA
Date = Confirmed Cases (New Cases) = Percentage of new cases
21/09/2020 = 26,912 (14) = 0.05%
22/09/2020 = 26,942 (30) = 0.1%
23/09/2020 = 26,974 (32) = 0.1%
24/09/2020 = 26,983 (9) = 0.03%
25/09/2020 = 27,000 (17) = 0.1%
26/09/2020 = 27,016 (16) = 0.1%
27/09/2020 = 27,040 (24) = 0.1%
28/09/2020 = 27,044 (4) = 0.01%
24,676 recovered, 875 deaths.
Cases doubling every 66 days.
4,735 cases of community transmission nationwide.
455 active cases.
Tasmania, ACT and NT have no active cases.
Lowest daily total nationwide since June 9.
VICTORIA
Date = Confirmed Cases (New Cases) = Percentage of new cases
21/09/2020 = 20,051 (9) = 0.04%
22/09/2020 = 20,076 (25) = 0.1%
23/09/2020 = 20,100 (24) = 0.1%
24/09/2020 = 20,105 (5) = 0.02%
25/09/2020 = 20,118 (13) = 0.1%
26/09/2020 = 20,129 (11) = 0.1%
27/09/2020 = 20,145 (16) = 0.1%
28/09/2020 = 20,149 (4) = 0.1%
18,942 recovered, 787 deaths.
Cases doubling every 59 days in Victoria.
4,274 cases of community transmission in Victoria.
359 active cases.
Lowest daily total in Victoria since June 12.
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David
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4 new cases in Australia yesterday – I haven’t been keeping tabs on national figures, but that must be just about the lowest since this all started, no?
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stui magpie
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| K wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | ... Wouldn't surprise me if Andrews was advised the curfew was unlawful, so he lifted it before the Supreme Court heard the matter.
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I'm wondering how that woman could afford to bring it to the Supreme Court. Was the Lib. Party paying for it? Normal people are frozen out of the legal system when they have far more serious need, because they don't have the money. |
She is a Liberal party member but they aren't paying for it.
| Quote: | | While the Liberal Party isn't funding the lawsuit, Opposition Leader Michael O'Brien said they put Ms Loielo in touch with lawyers who are acting pro bono. |
https://www.wellingtontimes.com.au/story/6927361/second-lawsuit-filed-over-vic-lockdowns/
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Pies4shaw
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10 new cases and 7 new deaths reported in Victoria.
The 7-day rolling average of cases is down from 24 for the week ending 22 September to about 12 for the week ending today.
As reported by DHHS this morning:
- 14 day rolling averages: Metro 18.2 (down); Regional 0.6 (steady).
- Unknown source cases: Metro 27 (down); Regional 0 (steady). |
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David
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9 new cases after reclassification. Down to 326 active cases in total!
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