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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | K wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | ... Wouldn't surprise me if Andrews was advised the curfew was unlawful, so he lifted it before the Supreme Court heard the matter.
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I'm wondering how that woman could afford to bring it to the Supreme Court. Was the Lib. Party paying for it? Normal people are frozen out of the legal system when they have far more serious need, because they don't have the money. |
Her solicitors appear to have briefed St Jude, so good luck to her with that one. |
Aha. Pro bono!
Thanks for the info.
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Jezza 
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Would be ironic if Andrews and his government were subject to these laws they passed only last year.
| Quote: | WorkSafe asked to investigate whether ministers could face prosecution over hotel quarantine
Premier Daniel Andrews has been named in a letter calling on WorkSafe to investigate whether the state government could be held criminally liable for industrial manslaughter charges over the handling of the hotel quarantine system.
Under state law, Victorians can request WorkSafe prosecute individuals.
Executive Director of Self Employed Victoria, an organisation representing independent contractors, Ken Phillips, has today lodged a letter with WorkSafe requesting the authority prosecute government bodies, public servants and politicians over the quarantine fiasco.
The letter names four departments, 16 public servants, the Premier, former Health Minister Jenny Mikakos, Emergency Services Minister Lisa Neville, and Minister for Jobs, Precincts and Regions Martin Pakula.
WorkSafe has three months to either lodge prosecutions or tell Mr Phillips why they will not do so.
WorkSafe asked to investigate whether ministers could face prosecution over hotel quarantine
Premier Daniel Andrews has been named in a letter calling on WorkSafe to investigate whether the state government could be held criminally liable for industrial manslaughter charges over the handling of the hotel quarantine system.
Under state law, Victorians can request WorkSafe prosecute individuals.
Executive Director of Self Employed Victoria, an organisation representing independent contractors, Ken Phillips, has today lodged a letter with WorkSafe requesting the authority prosecute government bodies, public servants and politicians over the quarantine fiasco.
The letter names four departments, 16 public servants, the Premier, former Health Minister Jenny Mikakos, Emergency Services Minister Lisa Neville, and Minister for Jobs, Precincts and Regions Martin Pakula.
WorkSafe has three months to either lodge prosecutions or tell Mr Phillips why they will not do so.
Mr Phillips said he wants the matter urgently pursued.
“Under the work safety rules your liability is not just for what you do but also for what you fail to do,” he told Neil Mitchell.
“If you fail to provide a safe work system you’re liable for prosecution.”
He says pursuing the industrial manslaughter charges will be “a very long process”, but “it’s the right thing to do”. |
https://www.3aw.com.au/four-ministers-and-16-public-servants-could-face-prosecution-over-hotel-quarantine/
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The agreed position, as reported by the Commonwealth, is as follows:
| Quote: | | As per the COVID-19 national guidelines, a COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID19 (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death. Where a Coroner’s report is available, these findings are to be observed. |
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-deaths-by-age-group-and-sex
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There is, however, no proper basis at all for an assertion that Victoria is "over-counting" COVID-19 deaths. To the contrary, the only Federal/State revisions that have been made to the Victorian death tally, so far as I am aware, have been revisions upwards. |
This claim of over-counting is made by folks of a certain ideology across the world. It ignores the excess death numbers, which are usually much greater than the official COVID death numbers. About the only place where the excess deaths are near the official COVID deaths is Belgium, the country that claims it is the only one not cheating on the numbers.
The folks who claim over-counting would need to explain where all these excess deaths across the world are coming from. |
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| K wrote: | | The folks who claim over-counting would need to explain where all these excess deaths across the world are coming from. |
5G tower radiation. Known fact.
And fluoride in the water.
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It's the 5G flouride.
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| K wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | ...
The agreed position, as reported by the Commonwealth, is as follows:
| Quote: | | As per the COVID-19 national guidelines, a COVID-19 death is defined for surveillance purposes as a death in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID19 (e.g. trauma). There should be no period of complete recovery from COVID-19 between illness and death. Where a Coroner’s report is available, these findings are to be observed. |
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-deaths-by-age-group-and-sex
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There is, however, no proper basis at all for an assertion that Victoria is "over-counting" COVID-19 deaths. To the contrary, the only Federal/State revisions that have been made to the Victorian death tally, so far as I am aware, have been revisions upwards. |
This claim of over-counting is made by folks of a certain ideology across the world. It ignores the excess death numbers, which are usually much greater than the official COVID death numbers. About the only place where the excess deaths are near the official COVID deaths is Belgium, the country that claims it is the only one not cheating on the numbers.
The folks who claim over-counting would need to explain where all these excess deaths across the world are coming from. |
Have we had excess deaths in Australia? Aged care was down a 1000 on last year and that’s where the majority of deaths have been. |
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eddiesmith
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| Thank you, interesting reading |
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Jezza
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Latest numbers
Confirmed (Deaths) - Recoveries
USA = 7,364,646 (209,896) - 4,610,995
India = 6,156,722 (96,468) - 5,109,584
Brazil = 4,748,327 (142,161) - 4,084,182
Russia = 1,167,805 (20,545) - 952,399
Colombia = 818,203 (25,641) - 722,536
Peru = 808,714 (32,324) - 670,989
Spain = 748,266 (31,411) - unknown
Mexico = 733,717 (76,603) - 527,278
Argentina = 723,132 (16,113) - 576,715
South Africa = 671,669 (16,586) - 604,478
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Australia = 27,063 (882) - 24,717
33,607,149 confirmed cases
1,007,997 deaths
24,850,988 recoveries
Australia:
- Confirmed cases = 27,063
---- Victoria = 20,158
---- New South Wales = 4,220
---- Queensland = 1,157
---- Western Australia = 684
---- South Australia = 468
---- Tasmania = 230
---- ACT = 113
---- NT = 33
- Deaths = 882
- Recoveries = 24,717
- Case fatality rate = 3.26%
Active Cases = 7,748,164
- USA = 2,543,755
- India = 950,670
- Brazil = 521,984
- France = 415,405
- Russia = 194,861
- Argentina = 130,304
- Mexico = 129,836
- Ukraine = 110,617
- Peru = 105,401
- Belgium = 86,065
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- Australia = 420
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AUSTRALIA
Date = Confirmed Cases (New Cases) = Percentage of new cases
22/09/2020 = 26,942 (30) = 0.1%
23/09/2020 = 26,974 (32) = 0.1%
24/09/2020 = 26,983 (9) = 0.03%
25/09/2020 = 27,000 (17) = 0.1%
26/09/2020 = 27,016 (16) = 0.1%
27/09/2020 = 27,040 (24) = 0.1%
28/09/2020 = 27,044 (4) = 0.01%
29/09/2020 = 27,063 (19) = 0.1%
24,717 recovered, 882 deaths.
Cases doubling every 67 days.
4,734 cases of community transmission nationwide.
420 active cases.
Tasmania, ACT and NT have no active cases.
VICTORIA
Date = Confirmed Cases (New Cases) = Percentage of new cases
22/09/2020 = 20,076 (25) = 0.1%
23/09/2020 = 20,100 (24) = 0.1%
24/09/2020 = 20,105 (5) = 0.02%
25/09/2020 = 20,118 (13) = 0.1%
26/09/2020 = 20,129 (11) = 0.1%
27/09/2020 = 20,145 (16) = 0.1%
28/09/2020 = 20,149 (4) = 0.1%
29/09/2020 = 20,158 (9) = 0.05%
18,978 recovered, 794 deaths.
Cases doubling every 60 days in Victoria.
4,273 cases of community transmission in Victoria.
326 active cases.
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13 new cases and 4 new deaths reported in Victoria.
The 7-day rolling average of cases is down from 22 for the week ending 23 September to about 10 for the week ending today.
As reported by DHHS this morning:
- 14 day rolling averages: Metro 16.4 (down); Regional 0.3 (down).
- Unknown source cases: Metro 21 (down); Regional 0 (steady). |
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And so, having seen today's Victorian numbers, here's what's happening today in some countries that didn't have a hotel quarantine problem:
- the UK: 7,143 new cases and 71 new deaths;
- the US: 35,280 new cases and 827 new deaths (numbers not yet final);
- Spain: 9,906 new cases and 203 new deaths; and
- France: 8,051 new cases and 85 new deaths. |
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Very interesting data, albeit 3 months old. Australia really has been The Spice girls in 2020, everyone is working hard and doing their best but Victoria is letting the side down.
I might see if I can find some more recent info and analysis on that.
Then again I might not, depends on my mood.
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