Cameron or Cox?

[Jezza]

[Jezza]

[BBHS]

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100% Agree Krueger is the most suited to our game style.

[Pebbles Rocks]

I think Cox gets marked way harder than he should be. Too often we judge players based on their recent form when they have been playing injured. Cox has had major problems with his eyes in the last 2 years. Last time I checked your eyes are pretty important when you are trying to judge the flight of a ball.

With all that said, I prefer Kreuger 1st Cameron 2nd and Cox 3rd simply because in the rough and tumble of a grand final (if we get there in the next few years) when you need blokes who have to be versatile and able to contest when the ball hits the ground.
Also Cox is getting older and will probably be at least 33 by the time we make the big dance again...

[bucking awesome]

Unfortunately Krueger showed in his one game he is a good forward prospect but his ruck work was terrible. He can’t give Grundy a chop out which means we also have to have room for Cameron or cox

If he improved his Ruck work then maybe but I think we will have to try Cameron Grundy and Krueger in the one side

[stui magpie]

Krueger showed promise as a KP but not a a ruck.

He's quick and mobile enough that we could play him, checkers and a 2nd ruck without being too top heavy.

You can play 3 talls together provided they aren't a liability when the ball hits the ground. A balanced forward line for us could be

HF McCreery, Krueger, Mihocek
FF Cox/Cameron, Billy/Jordy*, Ginnivan


*Billy and Jordy alternate between FF and midfield.

Cox/Cameron aren't the focal points, they're there do do the forward line ruck work leaving Grundy to hang back and provide a contest to the long bomb getout kick and bring the ball to ground

[Piesnchess]

Im not writing Cox off by any means, if Grundy goes down, who else have we got to ruck, Lynch has gone now. ?? Krueger looks good, though he has to prove it when he comes back, Cameron is just ok, at best, the jury is still out on him, see how he goes this week an next.

[Pies2016]

Do we place to much emphasis on back up ruck when Grundy is off the ground for about 16 mins every game ( from the AFL app)
That’s four mins a qtr and with a real possibility of only a couple ruck contests per qtr while Grundy is off. Why can’t Roughead ( 200cm ) ruck deep in defence, while Krueger ( 196cm ) would ruck between the arcs ( but not centre bounces ) That then leaves the best key forward choice of either Cox or Cameron to take centre bounces and ball ups and throw ins inside our forward fifty for a whole 240 seconds every quarter

[Piesnchess]

[Pies4shaw]

^ He's talking about weekly team selection, not suggesting we should have no other ruckmen on the list. Obviously, if something happens to Grundy, Cameron or Cox would ruck (maybe both).

[Pies2016]

^ ^ ^
Correct. Thanks. To me, the above solution sounds workable but the most important consideration in that plan, is Rougheads very limited ability to compete in the ruck, deep in defence. Coaches place a premium on winning ruck contests in the defensive arc because if the ruck contest is lost ( as opposed to halved ) then the opposition generally get a shot on goal.

What hasn’t happened yet, is for all of Cox, Cameron, Krueger ( and to a lesser extent, Roughead ) all being available as a collective.
It’s not until that happens, will we get a better idea of our game day back up ruck plans.

[Jezza]

Cox producing a great performance in the VFL today.

[Mr Miyagi]

Cameron won’t be playing next week

[masoncox]

For those nixters who think Cameron is better than Cox.
8 quarters this year with only one quarter where he was good.
7 quarters of absolutely nothing.
He is a dud

[SteveH67]

Swans were happy to give him up.

Spud.