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qldmagpie67
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | qldmagpie67 wrote: | | Pies2016 wrote: | The first thing to remember is that the earlier a club calls his name, the further confirmation it is that another club rates him very highly.
So on that basis, I would have no problem if he was called out early and then we matched it.
The best and most practical way to avoid an unwanted outcome is to bundle up 14 and 16 for one earlier pick that would be used before his name was called out. The only problem is that it takes two to tango, so we need a willing recipient.
As already suggested, ideally we would complement the above with swapping our 2021 first rounder for a 2020 first rounder.
McInnes selection SHOULD then look after itself by going into deficit in the 2021 draft.
That would give us two picks around 10 and then McInnes shortly after.
As for McInnes, he’s still got a few areas to work on and I would be shocked if his name was called out anywhere before 12 at the very earliest. I can name at least six talls who will be called out before he even comes into contention and the 2020 form lines on some of the interstate mids are to good to look past.
The deadline for swapping picks before this draft has now come and gone.
None of the above can now happen until on the night. It’s going to be the longest first twenty picks of any draft we have had. |
Mate I can’t find loads of info on Reef and what I find is a bit conflicting
I know your all over the 18’s can you give me a assessment on what he brings and what he needs to work on in your opinion
I have no doubt his talented but to want extent and dies that fill a void we have now
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Mate, I’m happy to tell his story but to be honest, with no junior footy played in Vic in 2020, I have nowhere near the feedback that normally comes with 15 years of being around the Sandy Dragons. Not being around the people that know in 2020 has seriously limited my mail on him.
Firstly, I will tell you a little about him but more importantly, I will then explain why there is so much conjecture about where spotters believe he will go.
He’s basically a tall utility who can play anywhere but down the spine.
He’s a neat player, has good speed, uses the ball well on his preferred side but doesn’t have great endurance or body strength in the contest ( nothing out of the ordinary for most U18 prospects ) His 2km trial wasn’t great and that caught people’s attention for the wrong reasons. He’s tough and hard at it and apparently he’s also a good kid away from footy by all accounts )
Where it becomes interesting is that clubs GENERALLY either take one of two views on tall utilities. Some clubs reckon they’re the solution to everything because they just keep throwing them around until they find their best spot. Then there are the clubs who reckon unless these 190 + cm players are special talents, most times they end up becoming average flankers because they are poor below their knees, can’t establish the required fitness base and can’t work in phone boxes. With that in mind, there may yet be a club (supposedly Essendon ) who goes early on him because they obviously rate him of course but they may also be happy to pay slight overs with his height advantage. That could see him picked as early as Essendons # 8 pick if they thought that way. Personally, I doubt this as the kid simply isn’t the tenth best player in the draft ( remember #8 drifts out to #10 if Ugle -Hagen and Campbell receive those expected early N G A bids )
The other wild card in this years draft is that the interstate kids have had so much more game day exposure ( and in the seniors ) that a lot clubs will pick interstate kids before the Vic kids based on the devil you know vs the devil you don’t. Kids like Carroll, Cook and Powell who are interstate ball magnet mids could all go before McInnes not because they’re necessarily better but because their 2020 form is much more exposed. This would obviously work to our favour if a number of clubs went that way. That sort of thinking could see him drift out to 24 / 25 on the night.
Finally, everyone wants McInnes to be this Bont like mythical creature who takes us to the promised land but the truth is he had very little time in the Chargers midfield in 2019. In fairness, he was a bottom ager but guys like Rowell, Anderson and Bianco kept him outside the square. Even Phillips and MacRae ( who will go before him in this years draft ) spent more time in the middle than he did.
We need to remember right now, he’s more a promising utility type than he is a genuine mid. The club will develop him but we shouldn’t have too bigger expectations to early.
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Cheers mate certainly explains a lot
I’m happy to take a prospect with a mid 20’s pick but would hesitate if I had to use a top#10 pick on a prospect
I remember when Beams was drafted he went 29 because 1/ he was from QLD 2/ he has missed a big chunk of footy at under 18 level 3/ was little exposed form against others in the draft
Upside was he has played a season and half in the QAFL and performed very well and particularly in there finals campaign
That’s what got him drafted really
Maybe some of these kids who have already played against men are slightly better options with our higher picks |
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Pies2016
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No worries, Qld.
If we can’t organise a swap of picks on the night and we go with #14 and #16, keep any eye on the names, Brayden Cook and Tom Powell. They are both S A kids who managed to play some good footy in the SANFL on a few occasions. They are both mids but different types. Apparently we are into both of them as prospects in the late teens.
Just finally, I should add that McInnes played most of 2019 with a bad back. He played footy under duress because all he wanted to do was play in the Chargers premiership. The point being, there are also plenty who believe his upside is significant considering he could hardly bend over in 2019 |
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RudeBoy
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| Dave The Man wrote: | Guy on Bigfooty who they say Know Reef has said he has told other Teams he only wants to play for Collingwood.
IF he goes to another team he will just ask to be Traded to Collingwood |
Don't believe everything you hear Dave. Under AFL draft rules, players are not allowed to tell clubs they only want to go to a particular club. They must agree to go to whichever club drafts them. |
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| Dave The Man wrote: | Guy on Bigfooty who they say Know Reef has said he has told other Teams he only wants to play for Collingwood.
IF he goes to another team he will just ask to be Traded to Collingwood |
Maybe he likes our culture- that’s a scary thought right there!
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Pies2016
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Guy on Bigfooty who they say Know Reef has said he has told other Teams he only wants to play for Collingwood.
IF he goes to another team he will just ask to be Traded to Collingwood |
Don't believe everything you hear Dave. Under AFL draft rules, players are not allowed to tell clubs they only want to go to a particular club. They must agree to go to whichever club drafts them. |
That’s about right. You can tell a club whatever you want about not wanting to go there but if that club still chooses you, then you either see out your first two year contract with them or stand out of the game at AFL level.
When you nominate for the draft, it states rules to that effect.
Occasionally, you might bluff your way out of going interstate but the club still hold the cards.
99% of the time, the kids are that happy to be drafted, they don’t care where they go. There will always be exceptions to the rule. |
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Pies2016
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Guy on Bigfooty who they say Know Reef has said he has told other Teams he only wants to play for Collingwood.
IF he goes to another team he will just ask to be Traded to Collingwood |
Don't believe everything you hear Dave. Under AFL draft rules, players are not allowed to tell clubs they only want to go to a particular club. They must agree to go to whichever club drafts them. |
That’s about right. You can tell a club whatever you want about not wanting to go there but if that club still chooses you, then you either see out your first two year contract with them or stand out of the game at AFL level.
When you nominate for the draft, it states rules to that effect.
Occasionally, you might bluff your way out of going interstate but the club still hold the cards.
99% of the time, the kids are that happy to be drafted, they don’t care where they go. There will always be exceptions to the rule. |
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scoobydoo
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| think positive wrote: | | Dave The Man wrote: | Guy on Bigfooty who they say Know Reef has said he has told other Teams he only wants to play for Collingwood.
IF he goes to another team he will just ask to be Traded to Collingwood |
Maybe he likes our culture- that’s a scary thought right there! |
What’s wrong with the culture? That’s a little deeming to guys like Pendels & Tay. If there was a problem then they’re gone now. |
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Dave The Man 
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Pies2016
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Of course that’s based on the Crows picking him as early as eleven.
That would be a big call by the Crows, particularly when Twomey then selects the two SA midfield kids ( Cook and Powell ) immediately after McInnes.
I did like Twomeys quote though. He thinks the Crows could pick him on his “ potential “ as a footballer, rather than his immediate talent.
Not sure if that’s what you do with pick 11 though.
Interesting he has Archie Perkins ( Sandy Dragons ) coming to the Pies with our first pick. Well if Perkins is there in the late teens, then you wouldn’t be disappointed with that selection either. He’s more advanced than McInnes, just not as tall as him ( not many are ) |
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scoobydoo
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| Pies2016 wrote: |
Of course that’s based on the Crows picking him as early as eleven.
That would be a big call by the Crows, particularly when Twomey then selects the two SA midfield kids ( Cook and Powell ) immediately after McInnes.
I did like Twomeys quote though. He thinks the Crows could pick him on his “ potential “ as a footballer, rather than his immediate talent.
Not sure if that’s what you do with pick 11 though.
Interesting he has Archie Perkins ( Sandy Dragons ) coming to the Pies with our first pick. Well if Perkins is there in the late teens, then you wouldn’t be disappointed with that selection either. He’s more advanced than McInnes, just not as tall as him ( not many are ) |
Buckenara rates him at 12. I think after picks 8-9 it comes down to personal preference & what your club needs. Reef could get called anywhere from 10-20, fingers crossed it’s after our second pick. |
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Dave The Man
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| scoobydoo wrote: | | Pies2016 wrote: |
Of course that’s based on the Crows picking him as early as eleven.
That would be a big call by the Crows, particularly when Twomey then selects the two SA midfield kids ( Cook and Powell ) immediately after McInnes.
I did like Twomeys quote though. He thinks the Crows could pick him on his “ potential “ as a footballer, rather than his immediate talent.
Not sure if that’s what you do with pick 11 though.
Interesting he has Archie Perkins ( Sandy Dragons ) coming to the Pies with our first pick. Well if Perkins is there in the late teens, then you wouldn’t be disappointed with that selection either. He’s more advanced than McInnes, just not as tall as him ( not many are ) |
Buckenara rates him at 12. I think after picks 8-9 it comes down to personal preference & what your club needs. Reef could get called anywhere from 10-20, fingers crossed it’s after our second pick. |
We be Trying to Trade for the Bombers last Top 10 Pick or Crows Pick 9 to get ahead of Reef Bid
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Abdul The Bull
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By his own admission Reef is not a great kick (either side), has poor endurance, and has had back issues. A kid with back issues is a big red-flag for me. His only saving grace is his speed. But, we have had a few speedsters (who couldn't kick) in the past so this is not the be all and end all. Collingwood have a penchant for picking 'athletes' as opposed to 'footballers' and it has been telling. We need to start recruiting footballers again.
Having said that, he does have a huge upside and is worth the punt. He will need a solid programme established to develop with weaknesses.
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Rick 
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| Going by Twomeys phantom draft, if they can pick up Archie Perkins instead I’d be happy with that. |
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If Reef isnt picked up by Collingwood bc of an early bid it wouldnt be that bad. Would mean someone would slide like a Archie Perkins.
Hopefully we trade our future first for a Crows or Bombers top ten pick. I would like to get my hands on Crows pick 22 or 23 bc there would be some value still there ie Pedlar.
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Pies2016
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Warning - Look away now if the draft isnt your thing.
If McInnes does get called before our first pick AND we do match it, then expect us to bundle up our late picks and move back into the third round.
We would have four picks in the sixties by the time our points surplus is allocated a pick after matching the bid ( total = 250 - 300 points )
Those accumulated points would no longer be needed on the night for McInnes, so swapping them out to a club that needs those points for N G A talent ( and there will be a few ) is a win for both teams.
Technically, with so few players being selected on the night, we would still be completing our list in the sixties whether we held those picks or not.
It’s the only positive I can find if his name is called out before our first two selections. |
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