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watt price tully 
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Tannin wrote: | | On the topic of Trump suporters, pietillidie wrote: | | they were so taken in by the most twisted, vengeful and irresponsible father figure |
Trump? A father figure? I don't think so. Not a father.
More like your wicked Uncle Ernie. You know, the one who big-notes himself at the family get-togethers, and borrows money from everyone, and does a bit of kiddie-fiddling when he thinks no-one is watching. |
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David 
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| Tannin wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | | Look, we weren't all bought up in Ballarat. |
Correct. David wasn't. PTID wasn't. I wasn't. You weren't, though no-one could tell that just by looking. Possibly Wokko was. |
My Dad was born in Moe, which is pretty much the same thing but ... more.
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| Tannin wrote: | | On the topic of Trump suporters, pietillidie wrote: | | they were so taken in by the most twisted, vengeful and irresponsible father figure |
Trump? A father figure? I don't think so. Not a father. |
Far more like Les Patterson at his worstđ
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pietillidie
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The GOP sense of self-entitlement is so inbuilt that to even dare make their Dear Leader â a corrupt psychopath and nation wrecker â face judgement and consequences is to make them the poor victims of 'blame':
| Quote: | | Shame on those who seek blame and revenge, and who choose to pervert a constitutional process while doing so,â Paul said on the Senate floor. âI want this body on record â every last person here.â |
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/26/rand-paul-impeachment-462655
Shame? You don't get to talk shame you cowardly Trump sycophant. You get to live with the stench of your devotion to a failed one-term fasco-protectionist whom you helped wreck a country and whose back you always had despite your fake libertarian drivel.
Do these bastards ever face consequences for anything? The more they go on about crime and responsibility the more you know it's a creepy psychiatric reaction formation to their utter impunity. Trump was the apotheosis of who they really are.
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David
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| pietillidie wrote: | | Trump was the apotheosis of who they really are. |
Hard to disagree with this. It's been hard to believe just how loyal much of the party was to him despite the chaos of his administration, his apparent fundamental ideological differences and his obvious unsuitability for the job, and that there was never any kind of organised revolt like the kind that Malcolm Turnbull faced within the Liberal Party (apart from a very small backlash centred around the once-dominant Bush/McCain neocon wing; no surprise, for instance, that it was Liz Cheney who led the small Republican pro-impeachment group in the House). Even some of those who sparred vigorously with Trump in the primaries, like Cruz, Rubio and Graham, ended up being the biggest sycophants of all.
Perhaps some of it can be explained by their cowardice and perhaps by a perception that Trump was a vehicle that they could get their own agenda done through. Or perhaps it shows that most Republicans are ultimately ideology-free and will hitch on to anything that keeps them in power. But just as history will always show that America is the country that elected Donald Trump president, so too will it show that the Republican Party not only supported him mostly to the hilt, but also indulged his most absurd caprices. When the party has declined into total irrelevance (as it ought to, given it no longer represents anything resembling mainstream sentiment), I wonder if this will be looked back on as the tipping point â not as a singular moment of betrayal of some great recent party history, but rather as the inevitable culmination of years and decades of self-destructive flight to the fringes.
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Tannin 
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^ See? You can make sense when you try. 
Sadly, something less than but approaching half of all voting Americans support Trumpism. Trump, despicable disaster that he was, wasn't a disease so much as a symptom - a symptom of a very sick nation. The American disease is almost always terminal. We have seen it many times before in human history, and in the end it always destroys the society it infects. Sometimes it kills quickly, sometimes they go into remission and endure for another few hundred years before it comes back and wipes them out.
We probably won't live to see the end game now that Trump and all he stands for has been pushed back for a while. But that's "probably", it is far from certain.
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David
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Well, that's that then:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/26/trump-impeachment-republicans-senate-vote-to-dismiss
A mere five Republicans out of fifty even believe the trial should occur, let alone have any chance of voting to convict. So even discussing this as an "uphill battle" as the article does is ludicrous â it's over.
Edit: I see that this news was also in PTID's link above, which I didn't click on! Talk about burying the lede.
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doriswilgus
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The defence of those trying to protect Trump from conviction is that since he is no longer President,he shouldnât be prosecuted for what he did when he was actually President.And yet when he was President,he was apparently immune from prosecution because no sitting President is allowed to be charged with any crimes.
So you have a situation where a President can do whatever they like because they canât be prosecuted for their crimes while in office,and they canât be prosecuted for the crimes after they leave office because theyâre no longer President.
I must say thatâs a nice little get out jail free card.Iâm sure criminals around the world would love to have the sort of lurks that have been afforded to Trump.Itâs the same old story.One set of rules for the rich and powerful,and another set of rules for everyone else. |
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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stui magpie
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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| Tannin wrote: |
Sadly, something less than but approaching half of all voting Americans support Trumpism. Trump, despicable disaster that he was, wasn't a disease so much as a symptom |
See, you can make sense when you try.
Trump was elected for a reason, he appealed to a lot of people who felt disenfranchised by both parties and they voted to tip things over and try something different.
The final days of Trump may have just convinced enough of those people that the experiment was a failure, but that will depend on how the return to normal programming with Biden is received.
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What'sinaname
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Trump had a great opportunity to bring business acumen to politics. Instead, nepotism was too strong and he proved to as ineffective as all of the lifer politicians who have come before him.
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watt price tully
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| What'sinaname wrote: | | Trump had a great opportunity to bring business acumen to politics. Instead, nepotism was too strong and he proved to as ineffective as all of the lifer politicians who have come before him. |
based on that assumption have I got a used car to sell you
There's so much to pick from: For Business Acumen (not) see Trump University.
Unthinking right wingers (no it's not a tautology ... well may be it is) used to love posting Margaret Thatchers line that Socialism is good at spending other people's money. However the reality is that trump was the exemplar 'par excellence' as far as that goes
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doriswilgus
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| Yeah,Trump wasnât a particularly good businessman,going bankrupt many times.All he was good at was lying and self promotion.Hosting a reality tv show was about the level of his abilities. |
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What'sinaname
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^ Forbes estimated that Mr Trumpâs net worth had dropped by $600 million in a year to $2.5 billion. That's NET worth, net of debt.
Trump has never been personally bankrupt. Some Trump businesses have been but that's not uncommon. The business is most always a seperate legal entity.
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stui magpie
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I read an article/interview with Solomon Lew about a deal he made that got Trump $45 Mil for a days work. I wish I was that bad a business man.
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